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re: Gotta love these Les Miles Offenses
Posted on 10/8/13 at 9:59 am to Cajn_tiger_.blank
Posted on 10/8/13 at 9:59 am to Cajn_tiger_.blank
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it's not CLM offense
Les is the coach at LSU.
Les hires all the coaches who coach at LSU.
The only reason Cam is at LSU is because of Les.
Les recruited all the LSU guys on offense.
Cam runs the LSU offense as Les wants him to and with the players Les provided to him.
Your point is stupid and you are too.
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Posted on 10/8/13 at 11:07 am to LSU Groupee
I guess that is why the offense looks completely opposite of last year. It's Cam's offense, Chief's defense, CLM team.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 11:46 am to eelsuee
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The top scoring offenses in school history
#1) 2007 38.6ppg
#2) 2011 35.7ppg
#4) 2006 33.7ppg
The fact that you are boasting about the 2011 offense demonstrates that you really haven't done any meaningful analysis of these statistics. The 2011 offense ranked in the bottom quartile of the country.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 11:47 am to The312
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The 2011 offense ranked in the bottom quartile of the country.
In PPG?
Posted on 10/8/13 at 11:51 am to Alatgr
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The 2011 offense ranked in the bottom quartile of the country.
In PPG?
Noooo. In total offense. Which is the appropriate metric. PPG includes special teams scores and scores set up by the defense. So, for example, when Tyrann Mathieu bats the ball into the air against WVU, intercepts it, and returns it to the WVU one, where the offense runs it in, that counts towards the offense's PPG, though only a fricking loon would actually credit the offense for that score. Other examples abound.
Compare this season's total offensive output/ranking to 2011's total offensive output/ranking and its obvious that the two offenses are lightyears apart.
This post was edited on 10/8/13 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/8/13 at 12:01 pm to Cajn_tiger_.blank
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I guess that is why the offense looks completely opposite of last year
Last year. This is this year.
No one is saying Cam isn't good, but if you think he walked into LSU, laid his hands on Zach, and cured Zach of his problems he showed last year all by himself you are smoking rope.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 12:27 pm to The312
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Which is the appropriate metric
Nothing is more important than scoring points and every offense in the nation is helped by their defense to score.
Didn't the LSU defense just this past week directly help the LSU offense to 14 points?
What's the fricking big deal. You guys act like offensive scores as a result of defensive good play is something new or only happened for LSU in 2011.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 1:41 pm to LSU Groupee
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What's the fricking big deal. You guys act like offensive scores as a result of defensive good play is something new or only happened for LSU in 2011.
Ok is it not obvious that this might be the best LSU offense ever? We just put up around 1,000 yards in two SEC road games. 100 points yes, but 1,000 yards. I'm not sure if that's ever happened in back to back weeks before. Mett is on pace to destroy records. The op says that CLM is the architect of this offensive attack and it's just laughable. Show me some yards per game to geaux with ppg. Qb developers are everything. 2006-07, developed by Jimbo. 2013 developed by Cam. Everything in between, well not so great. Pull the cupcakes out if your skewed numbers while your at it.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 1:45 pm to LSU Groupee
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No one is saying Cam isn't good, but if you think he walked into LSU, laid his hands on Zach, and cured Zach of his problems he showed last year all by himself you are smoking rope.
Is there another qb coach that worked with Mett in the offseason that I am not aware of? Manning passing academy? Enlighten me please.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 2:07 pm to Cajn_tiger_.blank
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Is there another qb coach that worked with Mett in the offseason that I am not aware of?
actually there were rumblings that Mett's family had hired a passing specialist to work with Zach this summer, not sure if it is true, or not.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 2:21 pm to Cajn_tiger_.blank
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Is there another qb coach that worked with Mett in the offseason that I am not aware o
Everyone with a pulse knows the biggest improvement in a QB play normally occurs between year one and year two of the QB taking over as a starter. There are always exceptions, but that's normally the case.
Cam is a really good OC and everyone but some retards here knew that coming in, but its not like he is working with a no talent QB. Zach had some real good games last season, but he was not consistent.
I'm going to have to see the rest of this season, the play of the other QBs if they very see the field, and maybe next season before I can claim that Cam is all this and all that and is totally responsible for our better play which seems to be what you are saying.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 2:34 pm to LSU Groupee
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Cam is a really good OC and everyone but some retards here knew that coming in, but its not like he is working with a no talent QB. Zach had some real good games last season, but he was not consistent.
Here is what I know. The play calling is not 68-32 run-pass anymore. The play calling is not predictable anymore. The backs and tight ends are catching passes this year. This is all due to Coach Cam. He also is a qb developer, I.E. Rivers, Flaco, DrewDat, etc. before he got here(last season) Mett had awful footwork, was wildly inconsistent, but talented. Mett was to me somewhat like a classic car who had all the components but no mechanic to fine tune it and bring out the full potential. That is until this season, the mechanic had arrived, Coach Cam.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:04 pm to The312
quote:From an old thread about 2011 Tigahs.
Other examples abound.
people keep confusing the points we scored with "offensive points".
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this was the #2 all time team for # of rushing and passing TDs, just behind Miles '07 team.
'07
'11
'06
'03
'08
'82
'77
"We knew all along it was Miles calling the plays."
Looks like it won't be long until Miles owns Top 5 and bye-bye nicky.
Miles-Hater tears will be so sweet.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:05 pm to Cajn_tiger_.blank
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The play calling is not 68-32 run-pass anymore.
it was 60/40 last yr, it's 60/40 this yr.
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The play calling is not predictable anymore.
to an extent. a lot of times you know we're gonna pass, we just do it so well opponents can't stop it.
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The backs and tight ends are catching passes this year.
they look like they'll catch about the same amt as last yr at this rate. prob slightly more as Hill has become more active the past couple games (7 catches last 2, 0 his first 4). the increase has mainly gone to Beckham and Landry.
Cam's done a world of good fine tuning stuff, but health and experience have benefitted the offense greatly as well.
I'm almost shocked at how much of the playbook appears to be just like last yr. the plays are being executed way better, but they look to be the same stuff.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:11 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:2003 Tigahs were about dead even in D/ST scoring and actually gave the O better field position, but you never hear this excuse for nicky's one good year.
What's the fricking big deal. You guys act like offensive scores as a result of defensive good play is something new or only happened for LSU in 2011
One good year.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:14 pm to Mayhawman
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Other examples abound.
From an old thread about 2011 Tigahs.
people keep confusing the points we scored with "offensive points".
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this was the #2 all time team for # of rushing and passing TDs, just behind Miles '07 team.
'07
'11
'06
'03
'08
'82
'77
"We knew all along it was Miles calling the plays."
Looks like it won't be long until Miles owns Top 5 and bye-bye nicky.
Miles-Hater tears will be so sweet.
Yeah, um, my Honey Badger example from the 2011 WVU would still skew your inane attempt to recaste the issue. That one yard TD that the offense literally had nothing to do with would still count towards your total "rushing and passing TD's." There are many other examples of the 2011 Tigers getting a short field due to defense and special teams (e.g., just off the top of my head, the second HB punt return in the SECCG, the HB WR strip against WVU, two fumbles in the Oregon game (I'm excluding the one HB scored on), the HB strip in the Arkansas game, the Claiborne INT in the same game, and on and on and on). All of the TD's resulting from those short fields would count towards your total. And yet all of them were largely a product of defense and special teams, not sustained long drives by an efficient offense.
There is no need to concoct some arbitrary system to determine which offense is most potent. The NCAA already maintains a statistic for that: it's called total offense. And LSU ranked in the bottom quartile of the nation in that stat in 2011. Period. End of story.
By contrast, this year's offense ranks much higher to date in total offense. Because it is actually formidable.
Nice try, though.
Posted on 10/8/13 at 3:43 pm to The312
quote:You can have all the yards you can stuff into 60 minutes and I'll take all the TDs, then tell me about the end of that story.
And LSU ranked in the bottom quartile of the nation in that stat in 2011. Period. End of story.
Every year there are about 15 of the top 20 Total O leaders totally illegit.
Houston, Top 10 in yds for the last 7 or 8 years, print the frickin shirts!
Posted on 10/8/13 at 4:04 pm to The312
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The NCAA already maintains a statistic for that: it's called total offense.
In 2011 neither, NCG foe, LSU or UA were in the Top 20 Total O.
To 312's amazement, they were both Top 20 in Scoring O.
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By contrast, this year's offense ranks much higher to date in total offense.
I'm not in a pissing match between 2013 and 2011 and this year's O is great.
I claimed Miles owns 4/5 top offensive teams in LSU history.
Or actually the LSU Media guide claims it and you continually argue against it.
You can't stand it and it makes me
Posted on 10/8/13 at 4:09 pm to Mayhawman
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In 2011 neither, NCG foe, LSU or UA were in the Top 20 Total O.
To 312's amazement, they were both Top 20 in Scoring O.
LOL. Bama was in the Top 40 for total offense. (31, in fact.) LSU wasn't even close.
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Or actually the LSU Media guide claims it and you continually argue against it.
You can't stand it and it makes me
The only thing I can't stand is blind stupidity. And there is a lot of it here, much of it being peddled by sycohpants who simply refuse to see the objective truth. Pretending that the 2011 offense was some juggernaut is an example of such stupidity.
Anyone who is truthful would admit that 2011 LSu had a mediocre one-dimensional offense carried by its elite defense and special teams. You don't even need statistics to see that. Just eyes.
This post was edited on 10/8/13 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/8/13 at 4:26 pm to The312
quote:What is a juggernaut to you?
Pretending that the 2011 offense was some juggernaut is an example of such stupidity.
There's no pretending the 2011 O made every D but one quit by the 4th.
There wasn't any sweating out the last few minutes and that's a fact.
Oh, and the 2011 Offense is 5th all time in yards gained. Just amazing with all those short fields.
Thanks for setting the example.
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