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re: Fournette stiff arm is underrated
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:39 am to TrapperJohn
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:39 am to TrapperJohn
Thanks Trapper John that was one of the ones I was thinking of.
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Posted on 4/6/16 at 4:02 pm to AndrewD
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When Shaq first got to LSU, Stanley was better
Cool
Shaq was still a once in a generation talent.
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It's just ridiculous that fans expect one great recruit/player to carry a team
I.don't think anyone here expects LF7 to do that, or have you missed the coaching and QB threads since the Bama game?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 4:05 pm to AndrewD
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Peterson? Mathieu? Beckham? all same generation. Mathieu even got a Heisman nomination over Fournette. I'm not trying to be a shine-blocker but winning games is more important than individual hype.
Mathieu was a once in a generation player for LSU. He almost set the ALL-TIME career turnover record as a sophomore.
You realize that TM7 and LF7 play different positions and are on different sides of the ball. It's like saying that Shaq wasn't a once in a generation player because Kobe won an MVP.
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Just saying it the way it is. Fournette may put up Bo Jackson numbers again, but finding a slot receiver and tightening up all around is better than another 7 game Heisman campaign.
You can do both. It is called a balanced attack and the whole board has been calling for it. LF7 has been all about the team.
The national champion last year had a Heisman running back (their 2nd in their dynasty). If anything, it makes his job easier.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 6:17 pm to WhoDat937
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You realize that TM7 and LF7 play different positions and are on different sides of the ball. It's like saying that Shaq wasn't a once in a generation player because Kobe won an MVP.
so they are co-once in a generation players.
And I'd never say Fournette is not a team player. But LSU/ESPN put all of the hype on Simmons and Fournette this year. As in 100% of the coverage, until the Fire the Coach movement started in both sports.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:32 pm to AndrewD
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so they are co-once in a generation players.
Is what I posted really that hard to grasp? Yes, TM7 can be a once in a generation nickel/safety/lb hybrid while LF7 can be a once in a generation RB.
I mean JJ Watt is probably a once in a generation player at DT. That doesn't impact what Adrian Peterson has been doing for his career at all....
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But LSU/ESPN put all of the hype on Simmons and Fournette this year. As in 100% of the coverage, until the Fire the Coach movement started in both sports.
Well LSU football was ranked in the top 5 and as high as #1 until the Bama game and 3 game slide. So yea, the hype train was in full force...since we were winning.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:58 pm to WhoDat937
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Yes, TM7 can be a once in a generation nickel/safety/lb hybrid
Well also punt returner. HB would probably have to be once in a generation nickel/safety/lb/puntreturner. which would get confusing because pp7 could also be consider a very close runner-up once in a generation return-specialist. Especially rare since they both played on the same college and pro teams, as we all know. What would the odds be of two once in a generation players playing on the same college and pro teams.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:32 pm to AndrewD
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What would the odds be of two once in a generation players playing on the same college and pro teams.
Approx 3:2
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:36 pm to AndrewD
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which would get confusing
it really isn't. You're intentionally trying to make it so (and failing) to try and add support to your original point, which ironically included a once in a generation player. PP7 isn't a once in a generation player. He might have all-time great athleticism, but we've seen shut down corners at LSU and they exist in the NFL. TM7 is unique and arguably the most impactful defensive player in LSU history with his turnovers. He doesn't even need the punt returns against Arkansas and UGA for that.
Even so, TM7 and PP7 play very different positions/roles
I already explained why he's a once in a generation player. His 14 turnovers make him that.
Enjoy
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:50 pm to WhoDat937
So a non-once in a generation punt-returner tied the NFL punt return record as a rookie?
The point is LSU recruits deep every year. Some pan out some don't. People would have said Jamarcus was a once in a generation talent going into the NFL draft. Its easy to look back and say that Shaq was a once in a generation player after he won 4 NBA titles, thats easy to say. But once in a generation regarding current players is overused. Fournette is a consensus all American sure but Derrick Henry had a better year last year. Bo Jackson was a once in a generation back but he was better than Fournette. You can keep splitting hairs all you want - but its an overused phrase and moreover Fournette's generation still has another ten years to go.
The point is LSU recruits deep every year. Some pan out some don't. People would have said Jamarcus was a once in a generation talent going into the NFL draft. Its easy to look back and say that Shaq was a once in a generation player after he won 4 NBA titles, thats easy to say. But once in a generation regarding current players is overused. Fournette is a consensus all American sure but Derrick Henry had a better year last year. Bo Jackson was a once in a generation back but he was better than Fournette. You can keep splitting hairs all you want - but its an overused phrase and moreover Fournette's generation still has another ten years to go.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:00 pm to AndrewD
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So a non-once in a generation punt-returner tie the NFL punt return record as a rookie?
Engrish?
And yea, he was a great returner for us his last season. If you want to label him as such for that role, go for it. It doesn't dispute anything I've said. TM7 is arguably the greatest ball hawk in college football history.
Are you really failing to comprehend that once in a generation labels apply to a position, not the entire team?
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. Its easy to look back and say that Shaq was a once in a generation player after he won 4 NBA titles, thats easy to say.
He made the case at LSU long before that:
1) national player of the year
2) 2 conference player of the year awards
3) SEC athlete of the year (all sports)
4) Set SEC record for blocks in a season - in each of his 3 seasons
5) led nation in blocked shots
6) first player to lead SEC in scoring, rebounding, fg %, and blocked shots
He's got a lot more to his LSU resume than that
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You can keep splitting hairs all you want -
I'm the one splitting hairs? You're obtuse. This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:04 pm to AndrewD
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Peterson? Mathieu? Beckham? all same generation
All play different positions as well.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:04 pm to Errerrerrwere
Leonard will be bigger, stronger. Faster. More intimidating. If possible.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:07 pm to Chris Warner
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Leonard will be bigger, stronger. Faster. More intimidating. If possible.
I dont doubt it, but 2 Leonard Fournettes wouldn't have beaten Bama last year. If its all Leonard Fournette again this year... same results.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:09 pm to lsufball19
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Peterson? Mathieu? Beckham? all same generation
All play different positions as well.
It is a hard concept to grasp apparently. I never heard anyone say Beckham was once in a generation while at LSU either.
Peterson has all-time great athleticism, and it appears to be clicking for him as of this year. I haven't really heard of him referred to as a once in a generation player until this thread, especially since we've had a strong history with shutdown corners.
Honey Badger's production can't be disputed. He is statistically a once in a generation player for his position/role.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:16 pm to WhoDat937
"Once in a generation" is an ambiguity that really means whatever you want it to mean. It's not defined by you or me or anybody just because people started babbling off about it last year in regard to the singularity of Leonard Fournette. Teams that have consistently elite talent don't need corny phrases like that.
And regardless of your perception, both Fournette and Mathieu got hammered by Bama, like it or not. Peterson took it to Bama more that once.
definition
And regardless of your perception, both Fournette and Mathieu got hammered by Bama, like it or not. Peterson took it to Bama more that once.
definition
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:21 pm to WhoDat937
And moreover, Mathieu could not handle the pressure of being the BMOC. He smoked his junior year away. He's a better player and person now, but that has to be part of his legacy at LSU. It's great to be the upstart that he was in 2011, but he couldn't handle the spotlight going into his junior year. Love the guy to death but he let every body down and wasn't built to handle the pressure he was under at the time.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:39 pm to AndrewD
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And regardless of your perception, both Fournette and Mathieu got hammered by Bama, like it or not. Peterson took it to Bama more that once.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:42 pm to AndrewD
You're right, it is even more remarkable what he was able to accomplish, historically and statistically speaking, in just 2 seasons.
He's likely once in a lifetime.
Did you miss his freshman year? He was the big man on campus going into the 2011 season.
Keep searching for the definition of a concept that isn't very difficult. Wordink
I see you ignored the whole Shaq part... Wait, Chris Jackson played, so clearly it can only be one or the other.
He's likely once in a lifetime.
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. It's great to be the upstart that he was in 2011, but he couldn't handle the spotlight going into his junior year
Did you miss his freshman year? He was the big man on campus going into the 2011 season.
Keep searching for the definition of a concept that isn't very difficult. Wordink
I see you ignored the whole Shaq part... Wait, Chris Jackson played, so clearly it can only be one or the other.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:48 pm to WhoDat937
You don't understand that your opinion is not a definition. But here's more stupidity.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 11:57 pm to AndrewD
Do you understand what Bleacher Report was back then?
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You don't understand that your opinion is not a definition.
When your argument has switched to this, it is time to kneel. Hell, since you don't want to apply it to a position, why apply it just to 1 sport?
feel free to look up every word's definition in the phrase and apply it to the proper context.
Then, feel free to look up the phrase "Once in a lifetime". TIL that if I have a once in a lifetime experience, I can't have any other experience that is once in a lifetime. Derp.
I think you'll a definition for that phrase
Also, the article states this:
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With the 2014 NFL draft only weeks away, the No. 1 overall selection remains up for grabs. But of all the potential candidates, none are as rare or as physically gifted as Jadeveon Clowney. He truly is a prospect who only comes along once every decade or so.
Clowney is pretty damn physically gifted. Not sure how that applies here anyways.
Tell me more about Shaq only being a once in a generation player at LSU because of his nba career despite all his accolades.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 12:02 am
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