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For number crunchers...LSU projections for 2016 (and other noteworthy teams)

Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:19 pm
Posted by CaliTigerForLife
California
Member since Nov 2015
1215 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:19 pm
I know...... It's just something to look at between seasons. The guy looks like he might be on to something with his stats from prior years (Captain Obvious, but he's crunching numbers for backup). Not saying LSU will be #1, but it should go without saying they'll be vastly improved. (Projected 5.0 PPG more on offense and 4.4 PPG less on defense - 9.4PPG swing - then add in the Aranda factor on D)

LINK

Article notes: (Posting this from a phone, sorry but I can't change the format - link is formatted in a spread sheet and easier to view). Feel free to update in the post.

My goal was to begin compiling "percentage returning" data for every level of an offense and defense -- passing yards/attempts/completions, rushing attempts/yards, receiving targets/receptions/yards, offensive line starts (because that's all we have), and tackles/TFLs/pass breakups at each level of the defense.

Once I had this, I could tinker to see how much each category affects a team's offensive or defensive improvement. In theory, this could allow me to create a "percentage of offense/defense returning" figure that could dwarf the effectiveness of just data on returning starters.

With just one year at my disposal (2014) when I wrote the original post, I wasn't able to draw any lasting conclusions, but the potential was obvious. I put together a rough formula that posited that teams like North Carolina (87 percent of production returning), Ohio (85 percent), and Temple (83 percent) were among the most experienced in the country, then watched as those teams improved from a combined 18-19 to a combined 29-12. (Others near the top didn't improve nearly that much.)

Meanwhile, the five that returned less than 40 percent of their production -- Kansas, UTEP, Wyoming, UCF, and UL-Lafayette -- fell from a combined 32-31 to 11-49.

At the end of 2015, I was able to add a second year of data. I have 2013 queued up and ready to go. But the conclusions are becoming clear.

On Monday, I will post initial 2016 S&P+ projections and begin my 2016 offseason preview series. Here's the returning production data I will be using along with these recruiting rankings and other factors. The projected points per game in the table below simply refers to points on the scoreboard.


O returning Proj. O
PPG change
D returning Proj. D
PPG change Overall
returning Overall proj.
PPG change Rank

LSU 96% +5.0 88% -4.4 92% +9.4 1
UCF 99% +5.4 84% -3.6 92% +9.0 2
Syracuse 100%+5.5 80% -3.0 90% +8.5 3
Kent State 94% +4.7 83% -3.5 89% +8.2 4
Charlotte 92% +4.5 82% -3.3 87% +7.8 5
Rutgers 81% +2.9 90% -4.6 85% +7.5 6
Louisville 98% +5.2 77% -2.3 87% +7.5 7
Kansas 81% +2.9 85% -3.9 83% +6.8 8
Wake Forest 89% +4.0 79% -2.7 84% +6.7 9
Ball State 78% +2.5 87% -4.1 82% +6.6 10

Alabama 45% -2.1 66% -0.5 55% -1.6 104

BGSU 29% -4.2 62% +0.3 46% -4.5 119
Mich. State 26% -4.6 64% 0.0 45% -4.6 120
Navy 34% -3.6 56% +1.4 45% -5.0 121
Wisconsin 34% -3.6 54% +1.7 44% -5.3 122
Toledo 44% -2.2 43% +3.6 43% -5.8 123
California 15% -6.2 62% +0.2 39% -6.4 124
LA Tech 42% -2.5 37% +4.7 39% -7.2 125
Arizona State 27% -4.5 43% +3.7 35% -8.2 126
Ohio State 22% -5.2 36% +4.7 29% -9.9 127
UMass 15% -6.3 34% +5.2 24% -11.5 128


Basically, the numbers show a true percentage of actual playmakers returning and what the data has shown in the past to mean as far as PPG differential from the prior season. It's only a projection.

Here's what the data shows for all SEC teams for the upcoming year's projection in relation to the performance of the team in 2015.

Team/ Pt Dif./ Nat.Rank
LSU. +9.4 1
Tenn. +5.9 12
Georgia +4.4 29
Missouri +3.9 8 35
Vandy +3.3 40
A & M +3.3 67
Arkansas +1.3 73
S. Car. +0.2 81
Ole Miss. +0.2 83
Auburn +0.1 85
Kentucky -0.2 90
Florida -0.4 94
Miss. St. -1.3 101
Alabama -1.6 104
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted by LimpBiscuit
Member since Jan 2016
44 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:22 pm to
what the F am I looking at here?
Posted by CaliTigerForLife
California
Member since Nov 2015
1215 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:28 pm to
Article notes: (Posting this from a phone, sorry but I can't change the format - link is formatted in a spread sheet and easier to view). Feel free to update in the post.
Posted by RightHook
Member since Dec 2013
5560 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:28 pm to
damn dude. nice work. interesting.
Posted by LimpBiscuit
Member since Jan 2016
44 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:29 pm to
I want nothing to do with posting the crap in that link. Post it right or don't post it at all.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162202 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

I want nothing to do with posting the crap in that link. Post it right or don't post it at all.



Just click on the link...Jesus
Posted by wilfont
Gulfport, MS on a Jet Ski
Member since Apr 2007
14860 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:48 pm to
Interesting article but i'm not altogether certain its predictive of success or failure in 2016.

Still, interesting.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26615 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 2:53 pm to
Well I don't know about all the mathematical reasons about why we should be better, but it's no doubt that we'll be better. Defense will be much, much better, and even an average passing game with junior Fournette and Guice in his second year, should be one of the top 25 offenses in the country.
Posted by geauxtigahs87
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
26259 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

North Carolina (87 percent of production returning), Ohio (85 percent), and Temple (83 percent) were among the most experienced in the country, then watched as those teams improved from a combined 18-9 to a combined 29-12

Does not compute
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56205 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 3:11 pm to
If LSU is +9 and Bama is -1. Should we still lose by 4?
Posted by CaliTigerForLife
California
Member since Nov 2015
1215 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

quote: North Carolina (87 percent of production returning), Ohio (85 percent), and Temple (83 percent) were among the most experienced in the country, then watched as those teams improved from a combined 18-19 to a combined 29-12


FIFY (6-7, 6-6, 6-6 up to 11-3, 8-5, 10-4)
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
20685 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

combined 18-9 to a combined 29-12

quote:

Does not compute


He left out the 1 in 19.

Those teams were 18-19 in 2014.
Posted by BRTiger2005
Member since May 2005
1270 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 4:21 pm to
I think it's important to note, Alabama entered last year at 45% using the same methodology. Clemson entered last year at 52%.

So while interesting, not really a predictor of success.
Posted by CaliTigerForLife
California
Member since Nov 2015
1215 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

I think it's important to note, Alabama entered last year at 45% using the same methodology. Clemson entered last year at 52%. So while interesting, not really a predictor of success.


Do you have all of his numbers crunched from the prior year? If so, where's the link? Curious as to where you got these percentages that he crunched from the previous year.
Posted by Hiphopanonymous
Baton rouge
Member since Jul 2014
2377 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 4:42 pm to
So LSU is returning more players than any team in the country?!
Posted by CaliTigerForLife
California
Member since Nov 2015
1215 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 4:42 pm to
quote:

If LSU is +9 and Bama is -1. Should we still lose by 4?


I knew there'd be some of these posts when I posted it. The title clearly states for number crunchers and I thought it was interesting during the off season. I'm a numbers guy myself. It's my profession. While not always indicative of future success, it's a better success rate when it leans in your favor. Heck, that's how Vegas has broken people for eons. If you must go the smart aleck route, LSU lost 30-16, is a +9.4 for 2016 while Bama is a -1.6 for a combined spread of exactly 11.0 Bama played at home and Vegas gives Bama at minimum a 3 point home field advantage. That's exactly your 14 points plus the at minimum 3 point home field advantage from Vegas for the Tigers in 2016, which would be a 17 point swing from last year. LSU wins by 3 in this case. It means nothing. You were just being on of the jerks I knew would respond negatively. This post wasn't for you to either enjoy or understand. Move along, there's nothing here for you to see.
Posted by CaliTigerForLife
California
Member since Nov 2015
1215 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 4:48 pm to
quote:

So LSU is returning more players than any team in the country?!


SEC Network just Tweeted this....

SEC East returning starters:
Tennessee 17
Vandy 15
Georgia 14
Kentucky 14
South Carolina 13
Mizzou 13
Florida 11

SEC West returning starters:
LSU 18
Arkansas 14
Texas A&M 13
Miss St 13
Alabama 11
Auburn 11
Ole Miss 10
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Hiphopanonymous
Baton rouge
Member since Jul 2014
2377 posts
Posted on 2/5/16 at 4:53 pm to
Awesome. Thanks CaliTiger.
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