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re: Fallacy: Miles philosophy of keeping games close
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:15 pm to LSU Groupee
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:15 pm to LSU Groupee
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We beat the #5 defense in nation, Georgia, by 30 points and thats went to shite?
I believe in that game we did not make a first down in the first half. The 2011 season started spectacularly and ended terribly. Our play deteriorated as soon as the philosophy switched back to ultra conservatism. A good coach should have recognized and addressed this. If the first half against UGA didn't set off alarm bells that a change was needed, or at least a contingency plan in case conservative plan A did not work, then I'd argue that those parties responsible for not addressing this let down their team, themselves, and their fans. We may have a damn fine football team, but not a very self-aware coach.
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:19 pm to Mayhawman
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Sometimes you have to counter the D with the best option available.
No way Lee would've held up against that D on 1-9-12. Sorry if you think it may have mattered, but the game was lost at LOS.
Sometimes you have to try as a coach. You can't just give up, which is what happened.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:21 pm to Choctaw
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The Les Miles fan club has no problem shitting on players to support their unnatural love for the coach.
you've been taking up for JJ, Roger?
I took up for JJ before the start of last season.
His problem, like Lee's is they never were developed enough to be "the guy" and should always have been platooned when necessary. Miles did the right thing by pulling Lee in the first Bama game, but never could make himself go back. Even during the SECCG.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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His problem, like Lee's is they never were developed enough to be "the guy" and should always have been platooned when necessary.
thanks Crowton......although they were both forced in too early due to RP and Hatch. they were basically 3rd and 4th string going into the '08 season
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:The game was in reach well into the 4th.
You can't just give up, which is what happened
Maybe the thought was don't put it out of reach, considering the history of JL vs bama? Not a dis on Lee, just an alternative insight from staff POV.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:28 pm to Choctaw
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thanks Crowton..
At least you are consistent.
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....although they were both forced in too early due to RP and Hatch. they were basically 3rd and 4th string going into the '08 season
Both had talent, just never was developed. We are on the season 5 in that regard. Will have the same issue again after Mett leaves
This post was edited on 1/6/13 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:29 pm to Mayhawman
Sounds about right. Don't lose the game at all cost. Try to win the game, that's absurd.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:32 pm to Mayhawman
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The game was in reach well into the 4th.
Maybe the thought was don't put it out of reach,
Which is exactly what we are talking about here. You know, your "fallacy."
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considering the history of JL vs bama? Not a dis on Lee, just an alternative insight from staff
They gave up. JJ was struggling in the SECCG and the NCG. You have to do something. Miles himself said he "didn't know what to do" after the third Qtr.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:NFL development camps, etc, say you're wrong.
Both had talent, just never was developed. We are on the season 5 in that regard.
Maybe they just weren't good as touted, which makes the '11 MoV rank even more amazing.
This has turned JL vs JJ and not where intended, so I'm done.
Still stands LSU under Miles has top FBS 10 MoV 4/8 seasons and "close to the vest" is a dumb frickin statement to use vs staff.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:39 pm to Mayhawman
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The problem with AU game wasn't playcalls, it was execution. LSU had RZ malfunctions, but it's not like the staff said we want 2 1st downs inside the 25. TD plays were called, just not executed to fruition.
And thats not coaching? (if only that was the sole problem)
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:42 pm to Mayhawman
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Both had talent, just never was developed. We are on the season 5 in that regard.
NFL development camps, etc, say you're wrong.
WTF? Link me to where "they" said otherwise. quote:
Maybe they just weren't good as touted, which makes the '11 MoV rank even more amazing.
This has turned JL vs JJ and not where intended, so I'm done.
LSu offense was better in 2008 than any year since. Just had INT issues.
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Still stands LSU under Miles has top FBS 10 MoV 4/8 seasons and "close to the vest" is a dumb frickin statement to use vs staff.
IF that keeps you believing, keep the faith. You are going to believe what you want anyway. The offense is getting worse, last years team was propped up by defense and ST;s.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:46 pm to cj2002
Yea, I'm sue Mett was coached to throw INTs, BBs coached to fumble, OL misses, etc, etc.
I imagine O was shut down to simple plays when others aren't executed properly.
Would you open up the O when basic plays aren't executed by patchwork OL?
Think about it.
I imagine O was shut down to simple plays when others aren't executed properly.
Would you open up the O when basic plays aren't executed by patchwork OL?
Think about it.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:50 pm to Mayhawman
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Yea, I'm sue Mett was coached to throw INTs, BBs coached to fumble, OL misses, etc, etc.
I imagine O was shut down to simple plays when others aren't executed properly.
Would you open up the O when basic plays aren't executed by patchwork OL?
Think about it.
With the talent LSU recruits, why have these recurring problems been happening since 2007? Is this coaching staff failing to recruit well or is just a failure to develop or motivate?
Well coached teams don't continue to have the same problems. Miles needs better help on the offensive side of the ball.
At what point, after the same problems repeatedly...do you stop making excuses and see that there are systematic problems?
This post was edited on 1/6/13 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Last year's O was #2 in LSU O scoring history. Miles has 4/5 of those and you must've really bitched before he got here.
last years team was propped up by defense and ST;s.
Fact.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Both QB's weren't treated fairly
Both QB's were given ample chance to prove themselves and they both failed to do so.
JJ couldn't make his progressions and JL threw the ball to any uniform when he faced strong pressure.
Lee would have have been destroyed by both Georgia and Alabama as he was everytime he faced Alabama. Anyone wanting to throw him under the Alabama bus is no friend of LSU or Lee.
If you cant admit Lee was in way over his head against top defenses, then you clearly have your head buried in the sand.
What does this have to do with Miles? This has to do with your thinking Lee should have played against Alabama when he had clearly showed he played scared against them.
You are hung up on Miles. Not everything is about him. You might be showing you can't be unbaised.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:54 pm to Mayhawman
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Last year's O was #2 in LSU O scoring history.
Give credit where it is due, defense and special teams. The offensive rank was still abysmal.
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Miles has 4/5 of those and you must've really bitched before he got here.
Fact.
Ah well, you don't give a shite about the present and future as long as you can pick stats that make you feel better.
LSU will go as far as the defense allows them.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Your Total O rank (yds) is junk. The last NC winner to break top 60 was LSU in '07 at #58 IIRC.
The offensive rank was still abysmal.
Not one team in top 60 has won a NC in last 5yrs.
It's mostly full of illegits playing nobody.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:06 am to Mayhawman
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Yea, I'm sue Mett was coached to throw INTs, BBs coached to fumble, OL misses, etc, etc. I imagine O was shut down to simple plays when others aren't executed properly. Would you open up the O when basic plays aren't executed by patchwork OL? Think about it.
I don think you're appreciating how a coach impacts player performance. In regards to the basketball program, we're averaging ~10 points more per game than last year. Individually, Hickey is tops in the country in steals per game. While its reasonable to assume that these players have improved over time due to age and training, if you are not recognizing how the coaching choices and philosophies of JJ significantly impacts both individual and team performance, then you aren't seeing the whole picture.
Offensive ineffectiveness in our football program is not simply a player issues. its too widespread and too consistent over time to be attributed as such.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:15 am to LSU Groupee
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Both QB's were given ample chance to prove themselves and they both failed to do so.
JJ couldn't make his progressions and JL threw the ball to any uniform when he faced strong pressure.
After 4 years in a program and no improvement you don't get the hint???
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Lee would have have been destroyed by both Georgia and Alabama as he was everytime he faced Alabama. Anyone wanting to throw him under the Alabama bus is no friend of LSU or Lee.
never know til you try, chief. You can't just quit. Miles did.
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If you cant admit Lee was in way over his head against top defenses, then you clearly have your head buried in the sand.
Threw the winning pass vs UF one season at the end of the game, I believe. LEd a drive vs Bama one season to set up the game winning field goal.
Sometimes you gotta try. You can't leave one out to dry.
Neither developed enough to be the guy. Platooning was necessary.
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What does this have to do with Miles?
It's the shitty offense, not the QB. If you can't see it by now, there is no helping you. BTW, Lee and JJ had higher ratings than Mett this year. And you think they were bad.
The problem is systematic. Everyone in the college football world, except you and a couple others, see it.
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This has to do with your thinking Lee should have played against Alabama when he had clearly showed he played scared against them.
You must have missed the drive vs Bama in 2010
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You are hung up on Miles. Not everything is about him. You might be showing you can't be unbaised.
You are right. I want Miles to succeed, you don't. If you did, you would also be wanting him to get some offensive coaching help.
If I didn't give a shite about Miles, I would want to see him fail.
Posted on 1/7/13 at 12:24 am to Mayhawman
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Your Total O rank (yds) is junk
Not mine, chief. LSU's. I got it. The only stats that matter are the ones you like.
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. The last NC winner to break top 60 was LSU in '07 at #58 IIRC.
Offense? You better check again. Auburn was ranked 7th in 2010, Alabama 31st last year.
This post was edited on 1/7/13 at 12:25 am
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