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re: Eric Reid joined Kaep
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:10 am to MightyYat
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:10 am to MightyYat
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They weren't all unarmed. In 2015 there were 990 police shootings that resulted in death.
I never said all were unarmed.
You also mustve glossed over the part of my post where i said ANY unarmed person shouldn't be shot by the police.
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White 494
Black 258
Hispanic 172
Other 38
I wonder which group is the majority.
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Since you like statistics so much here's one for you.
Yeah how dare i like facts more than opinions.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 9:13 am
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Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:14 am to ATL-TIGER-732
When you live in a divided society there are things you don't understand.
Why is everyone on the black oppression part?
The treatment of our veterans is terrible.
Why is everyone on the black oppression part?
The treatment of our veterans is terrible.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:19 am to DieHeartTigah
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So much for freedom of speech right?
I know right? All these people calling for Reid and Kaep to be arrested, it's crazy!
Stop using terminology you don't understand.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:21 am to LSUTil_iDie
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Do you tell the people who fly the Confederate flag that? Because it's the same thing. Actually, more so. The Confederacy was a direct enemy of the US and yet people still fly that flag. Is that not a direct insult to the flag, the Constitution and America as a whole?
Completely irrelevant, but I don't fly that flag or have any friends/family that do. But you and everyone else has a right to complain about it. So I'm not sure what your point is.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:38 am to Rickdaddy4188
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You also mustve glossed over the part of my post where i said ANY unarmed person shouldn't be shot by the police.
What a ridiculous statement that doesn't remotely take into account the context and circumstances of what police face in this country dealing with criminals day to day.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:53 am to BengalsLivesMatter
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The treatment of our veterans are terrible.
Exactly. Kaep even brought that up last night.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 9:58 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:02 am to ChewyDante
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What a ridiculous statement that doesn't remotely take into account the context and circumstances of what police face in this country dealing with criminals day to day.
They chose that line of work. No one forced them to become cops. Unarmed people shouldnt be shot. If you dont see a gun then lethal measures shouldnt be taken. Of course each situation is different. Whether you want to admit it or not there are cops that have a shoot first mentality. Not all cops but some. We also need an overhaul of police training. Kaep made a good point last night.
It shouldn't take longer to get your barber or cosmetic liscense than it does to be a cop.
6 months worth of training isnt enough training when you have the lives of citizens in your hands.
There also needs to an overhaul of the the way police shootings are being judged. The local justice system shouldn't be in charge of deciding whether one of their own did something wrong. There is a huge conflict of interest there.
Look im not saying i hate cops. One of my best friends is a cop. Just like any business or job there are people that arent good at their job. The problem is that when cops are bad at their job someone can get killed.
A lot of the instances with police can easily be solved with compliance.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:03 am to SportTiger1
Of course my mom did. But of course there was absolutely no consequence.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 10:49 am
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:07 am to DieHeartTigah
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I'm black as a preteen I experienced the first of many times. I was simply walking home broad daylight basketball apparel with a basketball in hand. White cop pulls in front of me and says "hey boy where are you headed". My remake "home sir". Cop "oh your a smart arse huh?" While getting out of his vehicle. Cop says "get your black arse over here" while slamming me face first into his cruiser. Is this right? This happens very often. Not saying that everyone is innocnet. But my taxes pay for cops to protect and serve me. Not beat my arse because you feel like it and get away with it unpunished. That's one of the many things Kap is talking about.
Sadly this is something that happens far to often. There is a huge difference in the way most whites and most blacks are treated by police. Anyone who cant see this little fact just doesnt want too.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:12 am to Rickdaddy4188
I definitely agree. But the huge difference is that when cops kill people they're backed by the peers for wrongdoing and get off scotch free. At the most the get leave with pay that's fricking sad. Look at the Tamir Rice case these cops still have their jobs and that's sad. A kid playing at a PARK with a toy gun. They pull up no questions asked they shoot him to death. This is who we have protecting us? It's truly terrifying.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:18 am to DieHeartTigah
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definitely agree. But the huge difference is that when cops kill people they're backed by the peers for wrongdoing and get off scotch free. At the most the get leave with pay that's fricking sad. Look at the Tamir Rice case these cops still have their jobs and that's sad. A kid playing at a PARK with a toy gun. They pull up no questions asked they shoot him to death. This is who we have protecting us? It's truly terrifying.
It is. In cases like those and Trayvon Martin, its just senseless and i truly believe that those kids would be alive today if they were white.
Another bad part about this is that most cops are good people that provide a great service to the community. Its just stories like that dont make the papers. There is definitely a problem but the media has a hand in jumping to conclusion about situations before the facts come out.
Its just a frustrating situation where neither side is listening to the other side.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:37 am to Rickdaddy4188
Most of that long comment doesn't have anything to do with what I said. The cops deal with mentally unstable people, suicidal people, and highly dangerous criminals. They are absolutely situations where firing on suspects that turn out not to be armed is justified and within reason. If you think it's reasonable to expect ZERO police shootings of unarmed suspects then you don't live in reality and you aren't exercising reason.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:38 am to Rickdaddy4188
Most but not all of the cases these cops enjoy doing these things. Why? Because there's no consequence behind it. So if you truly hate blacks or people not of your liking you could beat the dog shite out of them or kill them. The police don't like it when people don't come forth with information the "No snitch policy". Well the police organization is the biggest Non- snitch group of individuals in the US. Whether their right or wrong they will back their "BROTHER IN BLUE". This is the problem. I really want to believe that not all cops are bad but where arr all the good ones when you are unarmed, no resisting arrest and you getting you brain beat in or being murdered? Simply because someone doesn't like your skin color or culture. They don't ask questions they just join in. That's wrong.
This post was edited on 9/2/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/2/16 at 10:55 am to DieHeartTigah
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I really want to believe that not all cops are bad but where arr all the good ones when you are unarmed, no resisting arrest and you getting you brain beat in or being murdered? Simply because someone doesn't like your skin color or culture. They don't ask questions they just join in. That's wrong.
Par for the course, you are asking people to reply to your false premise, that cops are beating and murdering unarmed people because of their race and culture. There is no reason for anybody to respond to that because it is completely umsupported and dishonest.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
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No one , being honest with themselves, can deny that blacks are far more likely to be tried as an adult and get actual jail time over probation. I also realize that the majority of blacks that get arrested arent wealthy so they are given public defenders whose main goal is to always plea.
If some one protests on these grounds, who am I to argue.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:26 am to ChewyDante
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Most of that long comment doesn't have anything to do with what I said. The cops deal with mentally unstable people, suicidal people, and highly dangerous crimina
And when they deal with these people unless they see a gun their 1st option shouldnt be lethal.
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hey are absolutely situations where firing on suspects that turn out not to be armed is justified and within reas
Please explain this situation. Unless the person is putting another person's life in danger or have a weapon that isnt a gun, they shouldnt be shot by cops. Unless the person is putting someone else's life in danger or carrying a weapon they shouldnt be shot.
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If you think it's reasonable to expect ZERO police shootings of unarmed suspects then you don't live in reality and you aren't exercising reason.
Are you kidding. There are never absolutes in law enforcement. I figured you knew that. I said unarmed people SHOULDNT be shot. Of course there will be mistake. We are humans.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:31 am to luvlsufootball
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some one protests on these grounds, who am I to argue.
All you have to do is ask black people about their experiences with police. Black people are 30% more likely to pulled over.
Once pulled over blacks are 40 % more likely to be searched.
Its amazing to me that people act like everyone isnt profiling at some point in their life. Every single adult has profiled someone.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 11:33 am to DieHeartTigah
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Most but not all of the cases these cops enjoy doing these things.
Come on now. Call me optimistic but i refuse to believe any sane person likes taking someone's life.
Posted on 9/2/16 at 1:13 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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And when they deal with these people unless they see a gun their 1st option shouldnt be lethal.
Their first option is not lethal. Yet again, you are presenting a false premise as the basis for dialogue.
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Please explain this situation. Unless the person is putting another person's life in danger or have a weapon that isnt a gun, they shouldnt be shot by cops. Unless the person is putting someone else's life in danger or carrying a weapon they shouldnt be shot.
You're not getting it. Police operate under limited information and in very high stress, quick response circumstances. If a person does not cooperate then there are near infinite scenarios in which police may reasonably believe a suspect possesses a weapon and is in a position to put either the police or others' lives in danger. Or do you think all those cases of police shootings with unarmed suspects are unjustified homicides?
What about when unarmed suspects go for an officer's weapon? Or do you suggest that never happens? Or what about when suspects deliberately mislead officers into believing they have a weapon in an effort to induce suicide by cop?
If you have to ask that question at all, it's hard to take you seriously either because you are completely absent of critical thinking or you are deliberately dishonest.
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Are you kidding. There are never absolutes in law enforcement. I figured you knew that. I said unarmed people SHOULDNT be shot. Of course there will be mistake. We are humans.
No, I'm quite serious. And I'm not talking about mistakes, I'm talking about scenarios where cops reasonably and justifiably shoot unarmed persons. Mistakes happen as well obviously. Perhaps you should choose your words more carefully. You described in the previous paragraph, yet again, a scenario which you then stated "shouldn't" ever result in shootings. So make up your mind on what you think the word shouldn't means.
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