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re: Does Shepard have a chance at starting qb?

Posted on 1/13/10 at 11:18 pm to
Posted by Hoya Saxa
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Posted on 1/13/10 at 11:18 pm to
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No. He, himself, doesn't even want to play the position.

You will see him in Wildcat, WR, and TB a whole lot in '10. As the primary qb...not a snap at all.

He will also be returning our punts. Guarantee that.
If he that good of an athlete they need to assign him to a position and get him on the field.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/13/10 at 11:24 pm to
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I admit, I saw neither, and if that's true, that's one thing.


I just have problems believing that he suddenly "forgot" how to throw the football

Posted by USMCTiger03
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Posted on 1/13/10 at 11:25 pm to
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I just have problems believing that he suddenly "forgot" how to throw the football

Especially after some of the incredible completions he made in HS.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/13/10 at 11:35 pm to
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Especially after some of the incredible completions he made in HS.


nonsense

someone in the other thread I made told me shep can't throw

Posted by USMCTiger03
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Posted on 1/13/10 at 11:40 pm to
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nonsense

someone in the other thread I made told me shep can't throw

Well, this place is patronized mostly by athletes and coaches at every level.
Posted by saintsrow
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Posted on 1/13/10 at 11:55 pm to
Pisces is absolutely dead on.

He's returning punts, for sure, at this point. Kickoffs possibly.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 12:24 am to
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I just have problems believing that he suddenly "forgot" how to throw the football




It's not that he forgot. One, there's just not nearly as much room for error in college as high school. Not only are defensive players coached better and in better position, but they are much faster and their closing speed is much greater. You have to be able to throw the ball in tight spots, with lots of velocity. So, you not only have to be accurate, you have to be accurate and fast 'cause you have a very short and rapidly closing window to make a completion. This is especially crucial at the end of games. Because of the cushion most Ds give you on final drives, you have to be able to hose the ball short of the receiver so they can come back and get it before the db can get there.



This is why Jamarcus was so good, especially in the 4th quarter. It wasn't how far he could throw it--that was almost never a factor--it was how hard he could throw it, and the tiny seams he could fit it in. Also, a strong-arm QB has the option of the entire field to work with, where Shep would likely have to cut it in half. Not saying that we couldn't design an offense that he could be successful in, but it just would be really limited in the passing game relative to what we could do with a strong-arm QB. And since we have one that's also tall and can run a little bit himself, Jefferson clearly gives us a chance to have a more versatile and complete offense.


And another thing that I think is a factor in Shep's relatively short stature is the size of his hands. I'm almost positive the college ball is bigger than the high school ball. I know 1st-hand this makes a huge difference. I'm about Shep's height(6'0") and can whip around a Jr. High or High School ball on a line with a perfect spiral. And hell, I might be able to throw one of those little rubber balls 75 yards( ). But that's only because my hands are big enough to grip them. Give me a college of NFL ball, and I can only throw a hard spiral about 20 yards. If I try anything longer, it has to be a straight up rainbow or the biggest duck you've ever seen. I'm certainly not saying I'm as good a passer as Shep, but big hands/long fingers are crucial in achieving velocity. It's why Pedro Martinez used to throw so damn hard at 160 pounds. His fingers are damn near 12 inches long. And it's allegedly why Alex Smith struggled so much when he first got to San Francisco. They said his hands were too small.


To summarize, throwing the ball in college is significantly more difficult than it is in high school. And for several reasons, having size is a huge advantage.
This post was edited on 1/14/10 at 12:30 am
Posted by cardee2003
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 12:30 am to
JJ is our guy
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 12:30 am to
good post carl
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 12:34 am to
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good post carl





I like it better when we're not fighting




By the way, I think it would be interesting to see what Shep could do at QB. But I haven't given up on Jordan being really good and I just think him at QB with Shep in the slot and TB and returning kicks makes us a better overall team.
Posted by saintsrow
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 12:41 am to
great post carl, that was quite insightful.

There really shouldn't be a lot of fighting about this, Shep is just not going to play QB for us on a regular basis.

I would, however, just like to have seen one "trick" play with him throwing the ball this year. Just one. Hopefully there'll be wrinkle with that this year.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 12:56 am to
It's too late to start him. We can't have another season of QB teething issues. We've already seen 2 straight yrs of them.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:09 am to
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Shep in the slot and TB and returning kicks


+1

what pissed me off was ZERO screen plays to shep

I mean... really?

cmon crowton!

I'd like to see JJ at QB, with ridley and shep as the tailbacks.

the "pony" formation.
Posted by jazzylsu
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:20 am to
I watched Shep play in the Army game and during the QB competion he was horrible attempting to hit the rolling fake reciever in stride from many different angles and depths, and it was bad ,i was like damn im 46 and i coulda hit at least a couple outa sheer luck,lol. He is a slot ,pr,kr ,spec teams playa and i hope to see him soon because he made some moves in that game that ive never seen before,just give him the damn ball.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:30 am to
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+1

what pissed me off was ZERO screen plays to shep

I mean... really?

cmon crowton!



I didn't care that he didn't throw a pass like a lot of you, but the uncreative ways he was used was embarrassing. I thought Crowton was absolutely garbage last year, and I would have liked him being shown the door. However, I don't automatically assume we are going to suck next year just because he's back. He is capable of still being a good OC. He's just going to have to learn a lot from last year and adjust, and I think Gonzalez being here will ensure that that happens.


But I think Crowton is going to automatically appear better at the very least, whether he still calls shite plays or not, just because Jefferson is going to be better and so is our OL.
Posted by jazzylsu
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:36 am to
Carl what role do u think gonzo will play
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 1:43 am to
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Carl what role do u think gonzo will play




I think he's going to help evaluate our offensive guys and suggest to Crowton the best way to use them. I think they will collaborate on what kind of offensive identity we need to establish in the spring, and I think he will have a bigger role in game planning than most offensive assistants. But most importantly I think he lights a fire under Gary's arse to keep up with this young buck who wants to take his job. Gary seems to be mellow enough where they might actually have a good working relationship--hopefully they will compliment each other.




Or he might just coach the WRs like any other position coach.
Posted by jazzylsu
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 2:10 am to
Big Daddy i hope so because iv e been a huge fan of MILES and believe that his loyalty am
nd trust in his coaches over rides his own instincts and knowlegde, i mean damn he gotta lettem coach but then he also has to enforce his authority when its plain dummnb , i just refuse to believe that he has lost his mind realize that loyalty goeas only so far ,tell me bro
Posted by Hiyoka
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/14/10 at 2:41 am to
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You obviously have never seen him throw the ball. He's like Nuke Laloosh.


We have all seen his high school highlights and espn games. As well as the all-star game last year (when he had an 80 yard td pass...)

Why would he not throw ONE TIME THE WHOLE YEAR?????

I think Les is scared to death of a QB controversy if/when Shep was able to do something positive. Maybe he is right because I know even without seeing anything from Shep this year I wanted him to take JJ's place simply because JJ was so bad. If Shep had actually thrown and completed a couple passes I would have probably gone ballistic the next time I saw JJ the statue stare down his recievers, have no pocket presence and get sacked...

All in all go shep but im not going to get my hopes up

Posted by Berndawg
Member since Nov 2009
430 posts
Posted on 1/14/10 at 2:45 am to
don't think so.
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