re: Does it Bother you that Les isn't respected nationally

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Face it, Les is winning because LSU is a great program.

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I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that he's recruiting some of the best players in the country and teaching them how to be the best players they can possibly be.

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He was put in an amazing situation at LSU and I think has underachieved with the talent he's had. You got a fluke MNC.

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Has Pete Carroll underacheived? Just curious. According to pretty much everyone, USC is better than every team they're lining up against, but yet they have 1 BCS ship. Think about what you're saying. What fluke? West Virginia knew what was at stake, win and play for the NC. They proceeding to get their asses whipped straight up by Pitt.

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He still managed to lose two games that year.

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Pete Carroll had the best team in the history of college football, and managed to lose to a one man wrecking crew in the NC.

by the end of his career, Les might be bigger than Joe Pa. If he stays 20 more years, Id say he's bound to get at least 2 more national titles.

In a word...

NO!

I personally think it should be relatively easy to recruit well in the state of Louisiana. LSU is set up for success by being close to Texas and having LA to itself.

Les Miles should not have credit taken away by Saban. All Saban did for him was recruit some good players. Since Miles has proven he can recruit at LSU I think that squashes that argument. LSU has had the potential forever to be an elite program. Just go back and look at all the elite talent that got recruited away in the past. LSU should have been able to keep the majority of the talent the whole time.

Now Saban is great, but I don't think he gets Bama up and running again as fast had the media not been sucking him off the whole time. He was also getting credit for things he didn't even do which I feel helped him tremendously in recruiting.

I think Les is up their with Saban already. I think in a few more seasons he will easily be up there with Richt. Even though Richt has not won a NC he has put together a shite ton of great seasons.

LSU lost to two teams that were led by heisman contenders during '07. They still had the best credentials out of everyone in the nation. You could also make the case '07 was one of the best years of college football top to bottom during the BCS era. Many people were saying this the whole 2007 season.

Check these stats on both.
Saban has 13 years of head coaching exp. at the college level. His record is 110-50-1. He is 4-6 in bowl games, 1 NC, 2 SEC championships, 4 SEC West championships. Average record each season is 8.47 wins and 3.93 losses.

Miles has 8 years of college head coaching experience and his record is 70-31. He is 5-2 in bowl games, 1 NC, 1 SEC championship, and 2 SEC West championships. Average record each season is 8.75 wins and 3.88 losses.

Now explain to me why the world seems to revolve around Saban and his quasi-god status?
And for the record, I did like Saban when he was here and still do.

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No matter how much sense you may make folks that wear the purple and gold glasses will never agree with anything you say.

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That cuts both ways. Miles is a polarizing figure. I think "sensible" arguments can be made both ways. If you don't think an argument can be made that Miles is as good as those other coaches, then you're no better than people with the purple and gold glasses, you just stand on the opposite side of the fence.

I will say this, I don't think I've ever seen any cf coach ever get less credit for his accomplishments and more blame for his failures. Saban can lose to ULM or Utah and it's the player's fault. Meyer loses 4 games with Tebow and it's the player's fault. If they win it's because they're awesome. Miles wins a NC and he's "lucky." People always point out the two losses, but IGNORE the losses of the other teams of these "great" coaches. Were these SAME coaches not on the sidelines when THEIR teams were losing? And don't give me the LSU had more talent crap. Miles didn't lose to a 41-point dog at home against a qb who had never started a major college game before. And yet Carroll is not going to be questioned as a coach, yet he had as much talent as anybody. Why is that? Both teams LSU lost to were bowl teams. If Miles loses, he's an "idiot." I think all of those coaches mentioned are great coaches. I just think the same standards should be applied to all of them if you're going to make an argument. It seems like the rules are altered when judging Miles to paint him as a "lucky idiot."

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he's not as good of a coach

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This is what passes for literacy at Ole Miss?

it bothers me as well.....he just comes off as a goofous instead of a respected football coach who knows his shite

He's disrespected quite a bit locally.


I had my beef with him last season because he is is the captain of the ship and he allowed the Malveto Experiment to happen. Losing to Ole Miss and Arkansas with our kind of talent is unacceptable. Inexcusable, big boy.

Les gets a lot of passes for winning a NC, 2 SEC wests, an SEC, and blowing every bowl comer out of the pond.

My final, formulated opinion of Les Miles will occur some time during this football season. He still hasn't sold me on a lot and has won me over on a lot more - especially his loyalty to the university. Loyalty, I am afraid, don't win no dad gum c'ships.

Not a bit

What can you possibly say after getting your asskicked by a "moron"?