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re: Burrow's every throw and run from 1st half of 2018 season
Posted on 7/15/19 at 9:02 pm to bfniii
Posted on 7/15/19 at 9:02 pm to bfniii
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nope. it seems like you don't even understand footba
I tried to let you off the hook but retards gonna retard.
tell me how a rb can gets yards of he isnt given the ball. how can a wr get his yards if passing plays arent called. you're too fricking stupid to realize that every stat in cfb could be attributed to being at the mercy of plays called.
haskins had a 1st round grade while Burrow wouldve gone undrafted. fact.
no one in the world thought there was even a remote possibility that Burrow would declare for the draft. I wonder why. it's almost like everyone had Haskins as one of the 1st QBs taken in the NFL and no one thought Burrow was draftable.
no one even questioned why burrow wasnt declaring. to this day no one is even remotely saying Burrow is even 4th round draft pick.
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Posted on 7/15/19 at 9:08 pm to Open Your Eyes
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tua, fromm, and ehlinger werent eligible for the draft last year. thats why there was no discussion about them staying in school. burrow was eligible for the draft last year. where was his discussion? tua and fromm have been talked about as high 2020draft picks since last season. where is burrow being talked about as a high 2020 draft pick?
facts
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haskins played against the #2, #21, #43, and #106 pass defenses the last 4 games of the season. burrow played against #32, #88, #109, and #125. you wanted those numbers included. now what?
facts
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where is the quote from someone that watched the all 22 film saying burrow is better in direct comparison?
there is none.
facts
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where in any of those links or quotes you posted is haskins compared to burrow? where is burrow mentioned in any single one of those? where is any in-depth draft breakdown of joe burrow period?
he somehow conflates a scouting report on Haskins as proof Burrow is better.
there seems to be a lack of scouting reports on Burrow. I wonder why....
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:42 am to p&g
quote:This Rickdaddy alter is CLEARLY MadKing.
Only someone as dumb as tricky Ricky would sit around on a mess board and attempt to run down the Sr starting Qb of his team.
Why is Rickdaddy allowed here after his alter was banned for calling an LSU player a murderer? Ridiculous!
This post was edited on 7/16/19 at 12:43 am
Posted on 7/16/19 at 1:09 am to bfniii
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Dwayne Haskins does not show this type of efficiency. Although I had originally attributed Haskins’ tendency towards throwing bullet passes to his medial thoracic leanings, it now appears far more likely that Haskins throws on a line because his ability to accurately throw to a specific depth of target is subpar. He throws very accurate straight-line passes on a longitudinal scale, and is very good at leading receivers right-to-left/ left-to-right, but his ability to “drop a dime” down the field, or to lead a receiver in stride downfield, is apparently lacking.
Good research bfniii. QBs who throw the ball on a laser beam are fun to watch, but most (not all) of them can't throw with touch when needed.
And, Haskins had the most experienced WR room in college football. He had thrown to almost all of them for 3 seasons.
2 of his WRs were among the fastest at the 2019 NFL combine. Cambell was tied for the fastest. In many cases, a shovel pass to a super fast WR was enough to gain big yards
Haskins is a SOLID NFL prospect but he's not NFL ready. He may get time to develop with the Skin's because of his close ties with the owner's family. Hope so. He could develop into a very good NFL QB.
This post was edited on 7/16/19 at 2:05 am
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:30 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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This Rickdaddy alter is CLEARLY MadKing.
I've been posting here since 2011 and madking and I have had wars on here against each other. if you were anything besides an o cultist,youd know that. everyone knows that you're not a lsu fan.
you dont give a shite about lsu.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 10:38 am to Open Your Eyes
Oof, that's a beatdown 
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:28 pm to Open Your Eyes
Oh em gee
Holy wall of asperger’s.
It’s interesting that I have consistently provided factual/expert data while you have sat back and complained and taken potshots. Where’s your stats? Where’s your quotes? here's a couple of quotes from you:
“i have no idea if herbstreit said that or if his data is correct.” Well, why don’t you do what I did and ACTUALLY GO FIND OUT.
“i will admit i dont know how many of those were in max protect situations.” You know what, I actually did go find out. And I posted it. which can be fact checked by someone who is an adult and not a child who forgot to take their meds.
Also, you have on multiple occasions accused me of saying that burrow is a better qb than haskins. Quote where I said that IN CONTEXT
1. I said burrow is better at x
2. I was shouted down by the riff raff “but but the draft.” I provided quotes showing that haskins isn’t without flaws and explained that the draft isn’t the ultimate authority anyway.
Holy wall of asperger’s.
quote:…then goes off on the longest, most psychotic asperger’s rant in the history of the internet.
im not going to get into argument over stats with you again.
quote:So qbr isn’t the same parameter applied to everyone? What about completions longer than 25 yards? What about the number of screen passes called? What about total passing yardage? Passing td’s? rushing td’s? completion %? Because I’ve discussed EVERY ONE of those.
that applies the same parameters to everyone involved.
quote:I broke down every pass play from the first half of the slu game. But I “made up” stats.
completely made up stats
quote:do you have different quotes? If so, bring them. Did I falsely attribute a quote? Did I misquote? Did I EVER say haskins wasn’t one of the best in the game? Did I ever say he has no good attributes?
cherry picking quotes about haskins
It’s interesting that I have consistently provided factual/expert data while you have sat back and complained and taken potshots. Where’s your stats? Where’s your quotes? here's a couple of quotes from you:
“i have no idea if herbstreit said that or if his data is correct.” Well, why don’t you do what I did and ACTUALLY GO FIND OUT.
“i will admit i dont know how many of those were in max protect situations.” You know what, I actually did go find out. And I posted it. which can be fact checked by someone who is an adult and not a child who forgot to take their meds.
Also, you have on multiple occasions accused me of saying that burrow is a better qb than haskins. Quote where I said that IN CONTEXT
quote:haskins was being romanticized in order to diminish burrow. I obliterated that idea with quotes from experts.
every quote and article you have posted
quote:burrow has gone through nfl evaluations for the purposes of the draft like haskins?
you cant post any of those about joe burrow, because they dont exist
quote:First, show where I used this statistic simplicatur to imply that burrow is the better overall qb. Second, even so, it’s just a statistic used to compare an aspect of the two. It’s not unreasonable like you are acting.
your continued insistance on attempting to use yards per completion as the barometer to compare players still doesnt make it a good decision.
quote:Ah, so you think haskins is also a better runner? stupid
its literally the only stat that makes burrow look close to haskins last year.
quote:Ah, so you admit he did play against better defenses and still was essentially equal in completions beyond 25 yards. Thanks for admitting you were wrong
burrow didnt play against significantly better pass defenses than haskins.
quote:Pathetic. Go look it up for yourself like I did. Don’t take my word for it. I went pbp through the entire season. because i actually try to substantiate what i'm saying with facts instead of acting like a loser in his mom's basement
post a link with proof of those 25 yard passing numbers.
quote:Prove it. I’ll ask the same question yet again, in what SPECIFIC ways is haskins better than burrow?
in fact the opposite is true.
quote:It’s been used in this very thread, even by you in saying that “no one is talking about burrow.” Who freaking cares? That’s why I referenced jeff George and Jamarcus. It’s not the end all be all.
nobody talking about the draft is pointing to that as the only proof that haskins is better than burrow.
quote:Ok, 90proof asperger’s guy. “nuh unh!”
no link or quote youve posted proves anything about burrow in relation to haskins.
quote:You act like I didn’t post quotes from experts that substantiated the assertion, mr nuh unh
again, its comical that every stat that is commonly used while comparing players and shows haskins is undoubtedly better than burrow is "not a fair stat". the one stat you find that shows burrow is close to haskins and is never used to compare players is the one that must be used here.
quote:Prove it
the stats absolutely bear it out that haskins is undoubtedly better than burrow.
quote:See I get that you think I’m being selective. You’re missing the point.
why should people acknowledge quotes from analysts discussing haskins' flaws when you provide no quotes from analysts discussing burrow's flaws?
1. I said burrow is better at x
2. I was shouted down by the riff raff “but but the draft.” I provided quotes showing that haskins isn’t without flaws and explained that the draft isn’t the ultimate authority anyway.
quote:I explained why. In detail. with facts. I’m sorry you don’t understand. Tell me what I said about it is false. It is a fact that qb’s aren’t 100% responsible for calling passing plays in the rz.
you have not provided one quote from an analyst claiming passing touchdowns are an irrelevant stat.
quote:quote where I said any of this mr strawman
a wr taking a 6 yard crossing pass 70+ yards for a td and significantly increasing your precious yards per completion stat is totally in the qbs hands. got it
quote:I get that you can’t understand something this subtle, but I at no point was directly comparing burrow’s last 4 games vs haskins last 4 games. I get that you have to make up things that I said in order to express your asperger’s. all I was saying was that it is unfair to compare a season’s worth of completion % between the two because burrow was new to lsu, haskins was not new to osu. Burrow’s completion % got better as the season went on. Those are hard, fast, facts.
in his last 4 games he faced horrific defenses while haskins faced 3 of the top 40 passing defenses and still completed a significantly higher percentage of his passes
quote:Quote where I did this
why are you so adamant on including rushing stats in this conversation?
quote:Now who’s being selective?
the primary objective of the quarterback position is to throw the ball.
quote:you don’t know why they aren’t relevant to the discussion? Also, quote where I said haskins isn’t valuable in that situation
i know all of those PFF articles you read assign a value to the amount of yards haskins gained on short passes. why havent you brought that here yet?
quote:Quote where I did this
the fact that you also want to take a deep dive into total passing yards but still insist on using yards per completion is legitimately unbelievable.
quote:Quote where I said that burrow is better OVERALL than haskins
where is the quote from someone that watched the all 22 film saying burrow is better in direct comparison?
quote:You’re missing the point again. It was said that there was no “discussion” about burrow such as on sports talk or draft discussions. Right. So he listened to every broadcast of every show to know what all is being said about every qb in the country. stupid
tua, fromm, and ehlinger werent eligible for the draft last year. thats why there was no discussion about them staying in school. burrow was eligible for the draft last year. where was his discussion?
quote:Prove it
no, plenty of ohio st fans dont disagree that burrow isnt as good haskins.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:31 pm to Open Your Eyes
Are you done lying about me and misrepresenting what I said? Are you ready to actually start ponying up on your broad, subjective statements or do you want to just keep taking potshots at the stats and quotes I posted?
Wow. You went to all that trouble to make sure everyone outside of your mom’s basement knows you think burrow sucks. What’s really funny is that now that we have the full season to look back on, the end result bears out what I’ve been saying all along. Specifically, he’s a better runner and he’s at least as good throwing down field, perhaps better. I’ll go a step further and say that based on the quotes provided, he’s at least as good when the pocket breaks down.
one difference between us is that you and a couple of knuckleheads are looking at the overall result and concluding that haskins is miles better. i have no idea who is going to have the better career and i don't care because that is dependent on so many factors outside the control of the individual player; emmitt smith vs barry sanders. i'm looking at 2 or 3 attributes that a qb is directly/mostly responsible for and showing that burrow is at least as good in those respects, if not better. i wonder if you'll be able to understand any of that.
Wow. You went to all that trouble to make sure everyone outside of your mom’s basement knows you think burrow sucks. What’s really funny is that now that we have the full season to look back on, the end result bears out what I’ve been saying all along. Specifically, he’s a better runner and he’s at least as good throwing down field, perhaps better. I’ll go a step further and say that based on the quotes provided, he’s at least as good when the pocket breaks down.
one difference between us is that you and a couple of knuckleheads are looking at the overall result and concluding that haskins is miles better. i have no idea who is going to have the better career and i don't care because that is dependent on so many factors outside the control of the individual player; emmitt smith vs barry sanders. i'm looking at 2 or 3 attributes that a qb is directly/mostly responsible for and showing that burrow is at least as good in those respects, if not better. i wonder if you'll be able to understand any of that.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:37 pm to bfniii
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responsible for and showing that burrow is at least as good in those respects, if not better
no one but you sees this. if it were true there would be buzz about Burrow being a 1st rounder like Haskins was heading into last year.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:37 pm to bfniii
quote:I completely stopped replying to this clown months ago. Haven't regretted it for a millisecond.
Prove it
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:demonstrably false
no one is even remotely saying Burrow is even 4th round draft pick
"Projected Round (2020): 3-5"
wrong again
"2020 Quarterback Prospect
Joe Burrow - 3
wrong again
"#6 Joe Burrow, LSU
He will be a Day 2 quarterback in 2020.
anything else you want to be wrong about?
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:nope. i was merely showing that haskins wasn't as good as people were making him out to be. but keep lying
he somehow conflates a scouting report on Haskins as proof Burrow is better
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:39 pm to Damone
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Oof, that's a beatdown
yeah. a beatdown of lies and misrepresentationsPosted on 7/16/19 at 8:42 pm to bfniii
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Day 3 Projections
Jordan Love (Utah State, JR) is being called “toolsy” by NFL scouts.
Nathan Stanley (Iowa, SR) is viewed as a mid-level starter by at least one NFL scout.
Shea Patterson (Michigan, SR) was notably left off this 2020 QB preview.
Sam Ehlinger (Texas, JR) is a second-tier Heisman Trophy favorite.
D'Eriq King (Houston, SR) is an analytics sweetheart, but he’s reportedly 5-foot-8.
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma, SR) has enough accuracy, intangibles, and athleticism.
Joe Burrow (LSU, SR) brought attention to scouts with a strong late-season push.
didnt read his own damn link.
he thinks day 3 means 3rd round
This post was edited on 7/16/19 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:42 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:i couldn't care less. i posted facts and expert quotes to back up what i was saying
no one but you sees this
quote:how do you know there won't be?
if it were true there would be buzz about Burrow being a 1st rounder like Haskins was heading into last year
again, you people are comparing haskins overall year 3 results to burrow's year 1 results in a tougher defensive conference and a totally different passing scheme. but i make stuff up.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:43 pm to Open Your Eyes
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why are you so adamant on including rushing stats in this conversation?
Only an idiot would not include them.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:44 pm to bfniii
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how do you know there won't be?
again, you people are comparing haskins overall year 3 results to burrow's year 1 results in a tougher defensive conference and a totally different passing scheme. but i make stuff up. ?
because we are heading into Burrows' last year of eligibility and no one is claiming Burrow is one of the best QBs in the upcoming draft like Haskins was.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:44 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:didn't even read my statements about the draft
didnt read his own damn link.
quote:i provided multiple quotes that totally owned your stupid post
he thinks day 3 means 3rd round
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:careful. you're going to trigger his asperger's
Only an idiot would not include them
Posted on 7/16/19 at 8:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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