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re: Bud Kilmer ways of dealing with injuries
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:10 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:10 pm to lsufball19
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I'm sorry, but when they commit to wanting to play a sport for a living, they are very aware of the 3-4 year sacrifice they have to make to get to that point.
So your argument is essentially, this is just how it is.
I reject that. They already sacrifice A LOT. They aren’t just handed scholarships, they bust their arse to obtain one and bust their arse even more to keep it.
I don’t know how to pay athletes in a smart and efficient way, I’m not that smart. I do know that endorsements is a logical and easy first step.
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:11 pm to bwallcubfan
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DJ Durkin killed a guy
Damn
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:17 pm to lsufball19
But that is the issue. In an open market supply and demand dictate price. College programs are after the most talented prospects year in and year out. People who are 6ft 5 310 that can bench press 500 lbs and can run a 4.9 forty don't grow on trees man. Demand dictate higher wages but they are not getting it. You couple in the aspect of injury, The days of just be glad you get a schalorship are over.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:22 pm to DBG
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So your argument is essentially, this is just how it is.
Sure is. People who enroll in the academies know they have a two-year commitment to the United States after they're done with college. I don't see any of them complaining the system should change. Many high schoolers sign up for 6 month commitment to the armed forces. They quite literally put their lives on the line and are paid jack shite for doing so. What do you think the response would be if they demanded higher wages do to the risk they incur in their jobs? But I'm supposed to feel sorry for someone who wants to play a game for a living and may not start their careers until they're 21-22 years old, especially when they have no expenses for the entire time they're in college? Not too compelling to me.
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They already sacrifice A LOT. They aren’t just handed scholarships, they bust their arse to obtain one and bust their arse even more to keep it.
Part of life my man. There are plenty of college students that sacrifice as much and more as a football player does. Went to school with plenty of people that worked multiple jobs while full-time students just to be able to make rent and pay tuition. Athletes pay for nothing in college and live better than 99% of college students while in college.
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I do know that endorsements is a logical and easy first step.
They can get endorsements now. They just cannot be amateur athletes and get endorsements. If they think they're marketable right now, they do not have to continue to be an amateur athlete.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:28 pm to JONBURRIS1981
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But that is the issue. In an open market supply and demand dictate price. College programs are after the most talented prospects year in and year out. People who are 6ft 5 310 that can bench press 500 lbs and can run a 4.9 forty don't grow on trees man. Demand dictate higher wages but they are not getting it. You couple in the aspect of injury, The days of just be glad you get a schalorship are over.
Well, if that's how they feel, they should all stop playing and see where the market takes them. Or, they could all stop playing sports period and see how that affects the market. My guess is the market would be just find and people would find other ways to spend their entertainment money. But the athlete depending on being an athlete would be SOL because many of them aren't getting into college without sports. And the market dictates a very small number of them would actually profit off of playing football at their age. Yet, many more of them think they should be paid.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:31 pm to lsufball19
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People who enroll in the academies know they have a two-year commitment to the United States after they're done with college. I don't see any of them complaining the system should change. Many high schoolers sign up for 6 month commitment to the armed forces. They quite literally put their lives on the line and are paid jack shite for doing so. What do you think the response would be if they demanded higher wages do to the risk they incur in their jobs?
Give me a break. I’m not going down your willfully obtuse road.
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But I'm supposed to feel sorry for someone
You’re the only one who has brought up sympathy. You’ve done it twice now. Who is talking about sympathy?
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They can get endorsements now. They just cannot be amateur athletes and get endorsements. If they think they're marketable right now, they do not have to continue to be an amateur athlete.
Yep. Willfully obtuse.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:37 pm to DBG
paying football players and basketball players (sports that make a school money) will cause a larger shite storm than most people realize or want to talk about.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:41 pm to zed44
Leonard Fournette's ankle wasn't ready...
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:44 pm to lsufball19
But thats socialism dude. Socialism hinders the ability of demand dictating price or wage. Government hindering the freedom of markets is socialism. That is socialism masked as college amateurism. I guess they should just shut the frick up and not complain about it.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:48 pm to lsufball19
But another whole in that argument is that while working mulitiple jobs and busting there arse. The university doesn't gain 100 million dollars. In the words of the coach of the program. 80,000 people don't fill up a stadium to see me pass a science test.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:56 pm to DBG
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Give me a break. I’m not going down your willfully obtuse road.
willfully obtuse?
College athletes know, going into college, they won't be paid. True or false?
College athletes know going in that they have to commit to 3 years, at minimum, from the time they graduate high school until the NFL deems they're eligible for the draft. True or false?
The NCAA has rules regarding what defines an amateur athlete eligible to compete for the NCAA. True or false?
Athletes are well aware of all of these facts. True or false?
My comparison was in regards to making a commitment upon high school graduation, knowing what said commitment entails and what the compensation is. I used the armed forces because it is a field that is also inherently dangerous.
Seems to me that the root of the problem isn't with the NCAA but with the NFL. It's the NFL's rules these kids can't enter the draft until after three years, not the NCAA's rule. If we want the market to dictate the worth of these athletes, maybe your gripe should be with the NFL, not the NCAA. The NCAA merely provides a platform for these kids to impress the NFL. The NCAA has had student athletes long before professional football came to be. If 18 and 19 year olds think they should be paid, they should quit college football, and then file an age discrimination lawsuit against the NFL.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:56 pm to JONBURRIS1981
Posted on 12/13/18 at 1:57 pm to JONBURRIS1981
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But thats socialism dude. Socialism hinders the ability of demand dictating price or wage. Government hindering the freedom of markets is socialism. That is socialism masked as college amateurism. I guess they should just shut the frick up and not complain about it.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:01 pm to lsufball19
Sorry its the truth. Americans live in an open market. Supply demand dictate price. When you hinder that what do you call it? SOCIALISM
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:01 pm to JONBURRIS1981
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But another whole in that argument is that while working mulitiple jobs and busting there arse. The university doesn't gain 100 million dollars. In the words of the coach of the program. 80,000 people don't fill up a stadium to see me pass a science test.
Ok? Then, like I said, maybe they shouldn't have chosen to try to be a football player for a living. There are things I'm good at that I couldn't have made a living doing because there isn't a market for it. If there are no players, then there wouldn't be a market for college football. So maybe they should just give up the sport if it's not fair. Or, like I said, maybe we should just require all college athletes pay their own way through college and let the market dictate who's in debt and who isn't when it's all said and done. Would that be more fair to you?
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:06 pm to JONBURRIS1981
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Sorry its the truth. Americans live in an open market. Supply demand dictate price. When you hinder that what do you call it? SOCIALISM
You act like these kids are forced to be indentured servants. For instance, I worked as an intern in the DA's office for 3 years. I provided a service to the state and local government in which I worked. I was not paid a dime for my services. However, I knew that with the experience I gained from that internship, it would lead me to good opportunities in the end. I can't put a dollar amount on what my service was actually worth, but I'd bet it was worth more than the zero dollars I was paid. I also went into debt for my education in the process and am still paying on that debt today.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:08 pm to lsufball19
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The NCAA has rules regarding what defines an amateur athlete eligible to compete for the NCAA. True or false?
CHANGE. THE. RULES.
This isn’t complicated. I think the rules should change. You don’t. There’s nothing left to discuss.
The ncaa is near the bottom of the list of competent rule making organizations, forgive me if I don’t hold them in reverence.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:20 pm to lsufball19
But you can. Just because you are an intern doesn't mean you have to work for free. There are interns who are paid a wage it depends on the program.
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:29 pm to DBG
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CHANGE. THE. RULES.
Why should the NCAA change their rules?
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The ncaa is near the bottom of the list of competent rule making organizations, forgive me if I don’t hold them in reverence.
What about the NFL that requires a player to be three years removed from high school? Why are you not up in arms over that? Seems like age discrimination to me
Where is the picket line for their unfair business practices? 
Posted on 12/13/18 at 2:33 pm to lsufball19
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The NCAA has rules regarding what defines an amateur athlete eligible to compete for the NCAA. True or false?
Yes, but those rules are outdated. Wanting to have those rules changed/ updated with the times makes sense.
Some want to see change, and you don't. OK.
Just because things were a certain way XX years ago doesn't mean that's what's best now.
And IMO its NOT what's best now that collegiate athletics is openly a big business. Not the case even 15 years ago.
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