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re: Brief Wisco Breakdown
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:18 am to Johnkester59
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:18 am to Johnkester59
IMO Wisco may not have the time to throw most of those passes in the video. LSU's front 7 is different from IL" and NW's front 7. In addition the fact that Wisco has several 5th year seniors does not speak well about talent. Most of LSU's OL leave after their 3rd and 4th year as does our DL.
I think it will be a good game, but LSU will win out because it is faster at 80-90% of the team positions.
Wisco has 2 good things going for it. One is that it is early in the season and neither team will be at full speed and will make mistakes. The other is Gary Andersen, your coach. I am a big fan of Andersen. He was the DC for Utah when they beat AL in the Sugar Bowl and the HC at Utah State when they lost to AU in the last minute in I think 2011. His teams all seem well prepared and present a few surprises in games like this.
I think it will be a good game, but LSU will win out because it is faster at 80-90% of the team positions.
Wisco has 2 good things going for it. One is that it is early in the season and neither team will be at full speed and will make mistakes. The other is Gary Andersen, your coach. I am a big fan of Andersen. He was the DC for Utah when they beat AL in the Sugar Bowl and the HC at Utah State when they lost to AU in the last minute in I think 2011. His teams all seem well prepared and present a few surprises in games like this.
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:19 am to ItsThatDude12
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Runningbacks and O-line will not drop off but QB and WR definitely will. Talking about 3 NFL guys.
We did not have this kind of depth last year. I think people are going to be shocked at our WRs
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:29 am to Bill77379
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In addition the fact that Wisco has several 5th year seniors does not speak well about talent.
UW is a completely different program than LSU. You guys get stars and plug them in, we get projects and build them up.
I must say though that this is the first time I can remember anyone questioning the talent level of UW's O-line. Defense sure, WRs makes sense, QB's absolutely, but the O-line?!? Never. In the last 5 years UW has had 8 offensive linemen drafted (including one who never even started for us) with 3 of those being first rounders and 3 others in rounds 2 or 3. Heck the only Olinemen that has played for us in that time period who is not in the NFL is our only 5* recruit, Josh Oglesby and that is only because of injuries.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 12:32 am
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:35 am to Johnkester59
We know you have a good offensive line but that is nothing new to us. We have faced the top rated lineman in the country over the last few years. We are used to it.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:40 am to Johnkester59
Johnkester and even the 1 post Badger are being very respectful and just giving their thoughts. I respect that, my surprise is the small numbers of those fellows that post here especially this close to the game. Nothing like an SEC game obviously, but we had more Iowa, TCU, etc posters...and forget about the Ducks (they were all up in here as were the the couch burners).
to the Badgers and 
to the Badgers and Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:43 am to LSUNV
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We have faced the top rated lineman in the country over the last few years. We are used to it.
No question. My post was just a response to the poster questioning our talent levels at O-line.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:46 am to Johnkester59
Good talk man, I think it will come down to who makes the most mistakes. Should be a good one
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:53 am to LSUNV
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I think it will come down to who makes the most mistakes
Agreed.
Definitely both good football teams. I think LSU can afford to make a few more mistakes than Wisconsin, but there is no doubt that we could lose this game...
Call Ole Miss. They know all about the magic of turnovers.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:55 am to NotRight37
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Johnkester and even the 1 post Badger are being very respectful and just giving their thoughts. I respect that, my surprise is the small numbers of those fellows that post here especially this close to the game. Nothing like an SEC game obviously, but we had more Iowa, TCU, etc posters...and forget about the Ducks (they were all up in here as were the the couch burners).
Thank you. And many posters here have been very complimentary to Bucky as well. UW is a weird case for a team that has been as successful over the last 20 years as we have been. We were literally one of the worst teams in CFB for nearly, well our whole history minus some good years in the 50's and 60's when we had guys like Heisman Trophy winner Alan 'The Horse' Ameche and Elroy 'Crazy Legs' Hirsch. As a result Badger fans had to turn the games into a party and the focus shifted to the game day experience instead of the game itself.
This tradition has persisted even as the program has improved. The game day atmosphere is still the main event with the game coming in a distant second. This drives die hards like me crazy but it has its perks. One of those is we are a very humble fan base. Many of our fans remember the days of 2 win seasons and 54-3 blowouts quite vividly, so they approach every season with cautious optimism instead of chest thumping confidence. In other words they just enjoy the ride and hope for the best. Trash talk really isn't something we do, unless you are a Goofer or an Iowan (F**k Iowa). The tepid message board involvement is a product of that mindset. Hopefully there will be enough Badger fans at the game so you guys get a sense of the UW game day party.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:02 am to tgerb8
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Agreed.
Definitely both good football teams. I think LSU can afford to make a few more mistakes than Wisconsin, but there is no doubt that we could lose this game...
Double agreed. And I think you are right about LSU having more room for error. I think many Badger fans are optimistic about the direction that Coach Anderson is taking us and the hope is that this is the year were we finally break through and win one of those big time match ups instead of just keeping it close and losing in the closing minutes (damn you MSU Hail Mary!). We are definitely going to have to bring our A game if we want to have any chance at winning while I think LSU can get away with a B+ performance and still pull it out. I hope both the teams set the year off right with a great game!
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:02 am to Johnkester59
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Hopefully there will be enough Badger fans at the game so you guys get a sense of the UW game day party.
There's always Lambo..
I think we all would've preferred Death Valley and Camp Randall.. but what are you gonna do..
Either way, I think most Tiger fans see Wisconsin as a peer in terms of game day atmosphere.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:02 am to Johnkester59
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Clement
went 0-3 against him in high school
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:30 am to Johnkester59
I am not suspecting the talent of anybody in the NFL but you seldom see any OL who can start a couple of years and are 5th year seniors at LSU or anywhere in the SEC except those that are marginal.
LSU lost a 3rd year OG to the draft last year and could have lost a 3rd year OT. The OG was drafted I think in the second round. A third year OT, La'el Collins, could have left but came back. He would have probably been at least a high 2nd round. There is every chance we will lose at least 2 3rd year players off the OL to the early entry draft in 2015.
In the last 3 years LSU has lost at least 4 DT and 3 DE to early entry to NFL draft. In the last 10 years we have probably lost 10-12 DL to early entry. That is why LSU has the Title of DL U. Plus we have lost a lot of skill players. Players at LSU that stay especially for 5 years are not as talented as the rest of the team members except for the occasional rare case like La'el Collins and he will be here only 4.
I know your team last year was better than Iowa. Iowa had big veteran OL and their fans were sure they were going to run the ball on LSU. Their offensive totals running the ball were 76 yards on 37 carries for 3 first downs. There totals passing the ball were 13-30-2 for 167 yards.
You mentioned losing your QB for part of the USC game. Well LSU started a true freshman QB who had never started a game and maybe had played 3 or minutes each in 5-6 games.
Yo also mentioned you could not believe LSU's D and DL were better than USC last year. Believe this. LSU's D and DL this year are way better than the USC D and DL last year. Coach Chavis who has had some great DL at LSU and TN says this is the most talented DL he has ever had. A little young, yes, but talented.
This is a first game and there is always a chance of turnovers affecting the score. If that is equal, LSU's speed on D and our ST will be the deciding factor in this game. If our young QB & WR perform well, it will be a huge added bonus for our team. Our OL, TE and backs will be very good. IMO the X factor is the LSU QB. LSU will beat you everywhere else.
LSU lost a 3rd year OG to the draft last year and could have lost a 3rd year OT. The OG was drafted I think in the second round. A third year OT, La'el Collins, could have left but came back. He would have probably been at least a high 2nd round. There is every chance we will lose at least 2 3rd year players off the OL to the early entry draft in 2015.
In the last 3 years LSU has lost at least 4 DT and 3 DE to early entry to NFL draft. In the last 10 years we have probably lost 10-12 DL to early entry. That is why LSU has the Title of DL U. Plus we have lost a lot of skill players. Players at LSU that stay especially for 5 years are not as talented as the rest of the team members except for the occasional rare case like La'el Collins and he will be here only 4.
I know your team last year was better than Iowa. Iowa had big veteran OL and their fans were sure they were going to run the ball on LSU. Their offensive totals running the ball were 76 yards on 37 carries for 3 first downs. There totals passing the ball were 13-30-2 for 167 yards.
You mentioned losing your QB for part of the USC game. Well LSU started a true freshman QB who had never started a game and maybe had played 3 or minutes each in 5-6 games.
Yo also mentioned you could not believe LSU's D and DL were better than USC last year. Believe this. LSU's D and DL this year are way better than the USC D and DL last year. Coach Chavis who has had some great DL at LSU and TN says this is the most talented DL he has ever had. A little young, yes, but talented.
This is a first game and there is always a chance of turnovers affecting the score. If that is equal, LSU's speed on D and our ST will be the deciding factor in this game. If our young QB & WR perform well, it will be a huge added bonus for our team. Our OL, TE and backs will be very good. IMO the X factor is the LSU QB. LSU will beat you everywhere else.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:46 am to Bill77379
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I am not suspecting the talent of anybody in the NFL but you seldom see any OL who can start a couple of years and are 5th year seniors at LSU or anywhere in the SEC except those that are marginal.
Thats fine. But there is no real support for the position that 5th year senior = limited talent. Some teams can build through instant impact recruiting and some have to do it through development and coaching. The latter usually requires a bunch of redshirts.
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I know your team last year was better than Iowa. Iowa had big veteran OL and their fans were sure they were going to run the ball on LSU. Their offensive totals running the ball were 76 yards on 37 carries for 3 first downs. There totals passing the ball were 13-30-2 for 167 yards.
What's your point here? Iowa had a terrible offense, you should shut them down, every good team they played did. There is no comparison to the talent level of Iowa's skill guys and UW's.
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You mentioned losing your QB for part of the USC game. Well LSU started a true freshman QB who had never started a game and maybe had played 3 or minutes each in 5-6 games.
You are misrepresenting the context of those comments. I mentioned that we lost our QB as a counter to someone who said that USC beat us. I pointed out that our backup QB was awful and it was he and the USC O that lost/won that game, not the USC D-line. And again, there is a world of difference between inserting a cold, running QB who has had three ACL surgeries and can no longer run mid game and playing a highly regarded recruit who had a month to prepare.
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Yo also mentioned you could not believe LSU's D and DL were better than USC last year. Believe this. LSU's D and DL this year are way better than the USC D and DL last year. Coach Chavis who has had some great DL at LSU and TN says this is the most talented DL he has ever had. A little young, yes, but talented.
I never said anything about the D as a whole, I only commented on the D-lines. And Chavis may be right and this is the best D-line he has ever seen, but just saying that doesn't make it true. We will see in 8 days. Until then I'm going with the team that had the #1 overall pick and another All-American.
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LSU will beat you everywhere else.
So you claim. I remain unconvinced, but again we'll see in 8 days. I may be eating crow. But so might you.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 1:47 am
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:51 am to Johnkester59
quote:Heard a rumor that Wisconsin is not bringing the band to the game. Any truth to this?
Johnkester59
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:08 am to bmy
You aren't full of junior and seniors on the line. Try being honest.
We might lose, but we are going to run on you. You finished 15th in total defense last year. USC was 19th. That is a ten yard difference.
We might lose, but we are going to run on you. You finished 15th in total defense last year. USC was 19th. That is a ten yard difference.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:10 am to tgerb8
I was talking about being able to execute. Whether we win or lose wasn't germane to that point.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said I would bet on LSU.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said I would bet on LSU.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:31 am to Bill77379
If you think staying is problem you don't understands Wisconsin football. Or the difference between our student athlete and yours. Or injuries. Or red shirting.
I suggest you check the NFL draft and see where hanging around gets you.
Carimi: 4 years and a first rounder
Frederick: 5 years and a first rounder
Thomas: 4 years and the #3 pick
Konz: 4 years and second round
Urbik: 4 years and third round
Wagner: 5 years and fifth round
Zeilter: 4 years and first round.
Heck, Bill Nagy could barely get any run with us and still was 7th rounder and started for the Boys before getting hurt.
In that same time period you have thre linemen playing as of now. None went in the first. Perhaps I missed someone?
I suggest you check the NFL draft and see where hanging around gets you.
Carimi: 4 years and a first rounder
Frederick: 5 years and a first rounder
Thomas: 4 years and the #3 pick
Konz: 4 years and second round
Urbik: 4 years and third round
Wagner: 5 years and fifth round
Zeilter: 4 years and first round.
Heck, Bill Nagy could barely get any run with us and still was 7th rounder and started for the Boys before getting hurt.
In that same time period you have thre linemen playing as of now. None went in the first. Perhaps I missed someone?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:32 am to SECond2none™
Unfortunately it is true. Not sure as to the reason, but it is a bummer. UW has a pretty unique band with the high stepping and all.
UW Band
UW Band
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:36 am to SECond2none™
Not a rumor. Truth.
Many of us have a love hate relationship with the band.
Many of us have a love hate relationship with the band.
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