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re: BH "still just a true sophomore QB"

Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:06 pm to
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 7:06 pm to
Simple answer: Alabama does not run a pro-style offense since hiring Lane Kiffin.

ETA: When the OC can signal a touchdown before the quarterback releases the ball, you know the quarterback isn't the one making the read.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 7:07 pm
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:00 pm to
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Harris is being developed to run LSU's style of offense, which is more multiple than the spread shite you see with 95% of college teams


Multiple doesn't equate to being better. I think we can all attest to that truth in regards to LSU's offense in the last 8 years. That spread shite that you speak of is a whole hell of a lot more productive and hard to defend than what LSU has been doing on offense in the last decade. You don't see coaches across the country beating down doors to come see what LSU is doing on offense and trying to add it to their game. You see coaches across the country going to places like Oregon, Baylor, Texas A&M, UCLA, Cal, Auburn, West Virginia, Texas Tech, TCU just to name a few because they want to stay on the cutting edge of football and not be stock in the 1970's like LSU does with Miles.
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:06 pm to
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How about our coaching staff worry about developing college quarterbacks?


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N COLLEGE, which is the level LSU plays, Clemson is better at getting quarterback production. That can't be disputed.


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And the NFL comparison is ignorant. For one, there are only 32 starting quarterbacks in the entire league. Any school's chances of getting more than one quarterback to "tear up the league" are slim to freaking none.


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And, secondly, how many LSU quarterbacks are "tearing up the league" right now?


Look an LSU fan who is actually smart and has common sense. I have a want to see more posts like this that is truth. Good Job!
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:15 pm to
Dude you say stuff that I'm thinking for real! You seem like the kind've LSU fan that I could actually have a rational conversation with. You're all over the real issues at hand. I'm with you, who gives a freak about the NFL. This College Football and LSU's job is to win and do whatever it takes to win by using all the talent they have at their disposal with coaches that will put them in the BEST position to be successful play in and play out, game in and game out, year in and year out. The one thing that all my non LSU friends always say to me about LSU's offense and lack of good QB play year after year is this: "At the end of the day, it's simple your mother freaking LSU, how do you not have elite QB's and an elite offense with all the freaks ya'll have at the skill positions year after year". That's the really sad truth of it all, it really does boil down to scheme, the head coaches personality and what he is willing to do or in Les Miles case NOT willing to do on offense to be successful.

Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:17 pm to
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You're essentially saying that it's better for LSU to run a more complex, NFL style offense than constrains our team's offensive production for a few years while the QBs adapt to the system, only so that our QBs are more "NFL ready" by the time they leave.


You're trying to make sense bro, don't do that.
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:20 pm to
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You guys are missing the real question. If spread offenses are easier to learn AND we keep recruiting the top tier dual threat guys AND we have better athletes at the skill positions than 95% of the colleges in the world then there is one inescapable conclusion....
We should run the spread.
Our athletes running all over the field combined with our shutdown defense would be a potent combination!


Ding Ding Ding we have a winner, what do we have for him Johnny!!!
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:22 pm to
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You can't have gaps in QB recruiting or you will pay the price.


This statement is true no matter what offense you run. You also can't fail to DEVELOPE the talent you bring in. LSU doing that? Meh, not so much.
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:23 pm to
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Our offense next year will be nothing short of amazing to watch


Been hearing this line for the last 8 years
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
80272 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:24 pm to
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mes Rosen is a true freshman starting QB at UCLA. Youth is not a good excuse for talented QBs that are coached properly.






only thing I got is Harris got a late start. He chose LSU and cam to learn how to play the position. Kid wants to be ready for the NFL. Very raw coming into LSU.
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:28 pm to
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‘It’s doomsday if we don’t adapt and evolve’


Wish Les Miles thought this way
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47443 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:34 pm to
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What I've been saying is that experience, while certainly helpful, isn't REQUIRED to have productive QB play. 


Of course it's not required but the qbs that are young and extremely productive are the outliers,not the norm.
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There are many young, inexperienced QBs who play very well. 


Again,they are the outliers. Most young and inexperienced qbs don't have extremely productive seasons. You also have to take into account which conference those young qbs play in because the sec as a whole has more nfl talent on the defensive side of the ball. It's easier to be a young and inexperienced qb in the ACC or Big 10 because you don't face as many defenses that have lots of nfl talent on the defense.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:38 pm to
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So in short,our offense asks the qb to do more at the line of scrimmage,to run more formations,and do things they didnt do in highschool while the spread offense is usually what a high school qb has been running since highschool.



Great....all well and fine.....then I would think we need to stop window shopping/impulse buying and actually recruit QBs that fit our scheme instead of just recruiting a great spread QB because he's a 4/5 star athlete.
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:38 pm to
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When the OC can signal a touchdown before the quarterback releases the ball, you know the quarterback isn't the one making the read.


You've never been a coach obviously
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:41 pm to
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You're right. Coaches do.



X 1,000
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:44 pm to
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When the OC can signal a touchdown before the quarterback releases the ball, you know the quarterback isn't the one making the read.


Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47443 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:44 pm to

This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 9:11 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47443 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:46 pm to

This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 9:11 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47443 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:51 pm to
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What about Alabama - do they run an offense as complex (allegedly) as ours? 


They did before last year but when Sims took over they when to a scheme relying on tempo.
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Because their last two QBs had virtually no experience and played well. 


OK but Sims was a 5th year senior that had been a rb and back up qb since 2010.
AJ Mcarron didn't have a lot of production until his redshirt junior season. AJ McCarron ' s redshirt Sophomore year he had
16tds-5ints. His redshirt junior year he had 30tds-3ints. So it wasn't until AJ had 4 years at Bama that he produced really well.
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And now Jake Coker. Small sample size so far, but he's playing well


You're joking right? Every bama fan I know says he sucks and should be benched. He has 2 tds-1 ints and about 4 dropped ints.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:52 pm to
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Very raw coming into LSU.


Only raw in terms of running a pro-set. If we ran a spread...the dude would be light years ahead in terms of understanding/implementing the scheme.
Posted by dadof4grads
Gretna, LA
Member since Mar 2013
613 posts
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:58 pm to
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