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re: Based on current expectation levels, would winning 9 games this year be...
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Ask 2004 auburn of thats true.
I think its a little different now.
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There is no guarantee that the sec champ gets into the playoff.
You really believe a one loss SEC champ doesn't make the playoff?
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:48 pm to teeMike
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Much like this post..
Much like this post..
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:51 pm to teeMike
9 wins for the year probably means 4 regular season losses. If they're SEC losses it would be catastrophic.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:52 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Ask 2004 auburn if thats true
This isn't 2004 The sec winner is definitely getting in
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:54 pm to MusicMaster
I think its a little different now.
It's not. You still get voted into the title game.
That doesnt matter. There will always be a p5 conf left out of the playoffs and the sec does not have an auto invite.
It's not. You still get voted into the title game.
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You really believe a one loss SEC champ doesn't make the playoff?
That doesnt matter. There will always be a p5 conf left out of the playoffs and the sec does not have an auto invite.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:57 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:57 pm to TigerBait2008
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This isn't 2004
Its exactly the same except you added some spots.you still get voted into the playoffs using subjective ways to decide who gets in.
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The sec winner is definitely getting in
Are you under the assumption that the sec has an auto invite? There is nothing stopping the committee from leaving the sec out.
Whether you believe it will happen or not doesnt matter. There is chance for a sec program to go undefeated and not make the playoffs.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:58 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There will always be a p5 conf left out of the playoffs and the sec does not have an auto invite.
And what conference champion would knock A one loss SEC champion from the playoff? I don't get where you are coming from with this. Do you not think that the SEC is the toughest conference in the country?
Posted on 7/27/16 at 7:59 pm to TigerBait2008
What's funny? Im exactly right. Every year a p5 conf will be left out of the playoff and the sec isnt guaranteed a spot. Its doesnt matter how likely the situation is. The situation exists so therefore the coaches and players dont have control over making the playoffs.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:04 pm to MusicMaster
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And what conference champion would knock A one loss SEC champion from the playoff?
Any of the other p5 confs. Youre acting like its impossible for an undefeated sec champ to be left out. Yes its unlikely but that doesnt matter. If there is a chance at all then the control isnt there for the coaches and players.
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don't get where you are coming from with this
Are you kidding?
There are 4 playoff spots. There are 5 p5 conferences. Every year there is gonna be a p5 conf left out of the playoff. The sec can most certainly be that program thats left out. The sec IS NOT guaranteed a spot in the playoffs.
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Do you not think that the SEC is the toughest conference in the country?
Of course i do. The sec being the toughest conference doesnt remove the slight chance that the sec conf will be left out.
The committee VOTES in teams base on subjective views. There is nothing stopping the committee from leaving the sec out.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The situation exists so therefore the coaches and players dont have control over making the playoffs.
Well I believe that if an SEC team goes unbeaten during the season and then wins the SECCG, They are in. So yes the coaches and players have a huge effect on getting their team to the playoffs. I don't disagree that teams are voted in, but we are talking about A team that is unbeaten in the toughest conference in the land. There is no way they are left out.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:10 pm to MusicMaster
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Well I believe that if an SEC team goes unbeaten during the season and then wins the SECCG, They are in
I agree. Thats doesnt mean there is 0% chance a sec team is left out. If there is even a 1% chance the sec conf is left out, its removes the control from the players and coaches.
The sec title is different. The coaches and players have 100% control over the sec title because you dont get voted into the game. If a sec program wins all its sec games they will be in the seccg.
quote:there is nothing that guarantees the sec a place in the playoff. Nothing.
. I don't disagree that teams are voted in, but we are talking about A team that is unbeaten in the toughest conference in the land.
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There is no way they are left out.
Yes there is. Weve seen numerous programs left out with the same amount of losses as the teams that got in. Yes the chances of the sec getting left out are slim but even the smallest % that it can happen,removes the control.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:18 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If there is even a 1% chance the sec conf is left out, its removes the control from the players and coaches.
I am getting the idea that you don't like the playoff format. That's fine. But to be real here. There is zero way an unbeaten SEC champ is left out of the playoff. But I respect what you are saying. I just think you are wrong on this.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:23 pm to MusicMaster
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I am getting the idea that you don't like the playoff format. That's fine.
I dont mind it at all. I was glad when we went to 4 teams. I just wish they would make a prerequisite that you had to be a conf champ. That way the coaches and players have 100% control over making the playoffs.
quote:thats just not true.
There is zero way an unbeaten SEC champ is left out of the playoffs
Are you saying the sec has an auto invite? Nothing is stopping the committee from leaving out the sec.
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just think you are wrong on this.
Im not though. The voters dont owe the sec anything. They arent mandated to vote the sec in. You saw that in 2004.
I agree the chances are very slim a undefeated sec champ isnt left out but even if there is a chance at all its removes the control.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I just wish they would make a prerequisite that you had to be a conf champ.
I agree with this.
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That way the coaches and players have 100% control over making the playoffs.
But you said before that even a conference champ may not make it. And what if LSU is 12-1 but loses the SECCG. Should they be left out if say two other conference champs have more than one loss?
Posted on 7/27/16 at 8:42 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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They arent mandated to vote the sec in. You saw that in 2004.
Do you believe Auburn deserved to be in the game in 2004? Yet its not even the same now as it was in 2004. So its not a fair comparison.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:11 pm to MusicMaster
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But you said before that even a conference champ may not make it.
The seccg is 100% under the control of the coaches and players. You win all your games and youre in the seccg.
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And what if LSU is 12-1 but loses the SECCG. Should they be left out if say two other conference champs have more than one loss?
Every way has it's flaws. I shouldve said i wanted 8 teams. I forgot to add that part. 5 conf champs and 3 at large.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 9:14 pm to MusicMaster
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Do you believe Auburn deserved to be in the game in 2004?
Thats doesnt matter. Auburn did everything they could do and were left out of the ncs title game.
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Yet its not even the same now as it was in 2004. So its not a fair comparison.
It most certainly is. In 2004 you got voted into the bcs title game using completely subjective opinions on who the 2 best teams were.
In 2016 you get voted into the playoff using completely subjective opinions on who the 4 best teams are.
The only difference is that now 1 p5 conf is left out while 2004 left out 3 p5 confs.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 10:58 pm to Bojangles
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Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:10 am to airfernando
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B. What is the likelihood of fielding a more talented team in the next 20 years?
This. I'm a big Les Miles fan overall, but if we can't make the playoffs this year, I pretty much give up all hope of another title while Miles is here. With the run of recruiting classes we've had, and a player like LF7, if it's not now it's probably never.
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