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re: Another LSU QB thread
Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:26 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:26 pm to Antonio Moss
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Actually, his biggest problem is that he pulls his downfield vision down too quickly. His internal clock is too short.
and the hits keep on coming.
who knew we had such an informed fan base?
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Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:31 pm to Boh
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I don't care how good/bad the OL was... if JJ didn't have problems reading a defense or going through progression, we do not finish ranked so badly in terms of total offense.
See, this where I'm going to have to disagree.
Jefferson is certainly not an expert at going through progressions, but he was much better than Lee. He often hit the second or third read. And the offensive line was a major contributor to this "problem." As some of us have shown many times in here, defenses played way off the line of scrimmage against us last year because we were no threat to run. Therefore, Jefferson is consistently reading through progression amidst four and five defensive backs. Whereas, in 2008, teams would crowd the line of scrimmage resulting in less defensive backs being in coverage.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:32 pm to Antonio Moss
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Actually, his biggest problem is that he pulls his downfield vision down too quickly. His internal clock is too short.
I disagree with this as well. If anything, JL's clock is a hell of a lot shorter than Jefferson. If Jefferson had a shorter clock, he wouldn't have had so many sacks and would have used his legs more.
None of this changes the fact that so far our coaching staff hasn't developed these guys properly.
eta: JL's clock is so short that he would throw the ball so quick instead of trusting the OL. I think the reason he's money in practice is because of his accuracy and timing when he doesn't have to trust his blind sides. He hasn't seem to have a good feel for the pocket at all so far in game situations (La Tech
)This post was edited on 8/24/10 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:34 pm to Antonio Moss
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Jefferson is certainly not an expert at going through progressions, but he was much better than Lee.
I agree... I just took Roaad's post as meaning Jefferson did not lack in the 2 areas of reading a defense and going through a progression. It's a fair statement to just flat out say that JJ protected the ball last year, which is something the offense needed.
I have confidence in him improving with an offseason and BG to work with, and hopefully he trusts his abilities to push the ball downfield more.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:35 pm to Boh
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If Jefferson had a shorter clock, he wouldn't have had so many sacks and would have used his legs more.
Pay attention to what I said.
I said he pulled his vision down, not that he took off scrambling quickly. Jefferson is a QB that can run, not a running QB.
Many times last season, he'd pull down his vision and begin looking for a crease to scramble through, but this would take 1-2 seconds and by that time he was sacked.
Had he kept his vision up, he'd have a full second to two seconds to see an open receiver. If someone would work with him on keeping his downfield vision for a second longer followed by immediately throwing the ball away, it would go along way in helping our offense.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:44 pm to Antonio Moss
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I said he pulled his vision down, not that he took off scrambling quickly. Jefferson is a QB that can run, not a running QB.
The OL was definitely lacking last year, but going back to what Roaad believes, I think he is wrong in thinking Jefferson doesn't have issues in 2 critical areas of the passing game.
I would have been much happier if Jefferson would have rolled out more while keeping his eyes downfield.
I still say that if what you said about his internal clock being too short which caused him to take his eyes off of the field is true, he would have gotten more positive yards instead of taking all of the sacks.
This post was edited on 8/24/10 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:47 pm to Boh
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I would have been much happier if Jefferson would have rolled out more
This is completely true.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 4:55 pm to BT
Hell, one's scared and the other's glad of it. JL's terrified of throwing another pic6 and JJ has seen how JL was crucified for it last year, which makes him almost as jumpy. That gives JJ one leg up - but just barely - on JL...and leaves LSU up the freakin' creek if we can't protect. All the more reason to pray our O-line has found some pride...Geaux
Posted on 8/24/10 at 5:06 pm to BT
I will just say this, LSU is very fortunate right now that Jarrett Lee had enough intestinal fortitude to gut it out and not transfer. Both quarterbacks are older and more mature and LSU is fortunate to have them both. We will always be one play away from our back-up. Both need game time! 
Posted on 8/24/10 at 5:09 pm to rickyh
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Jarrett Lee had enough intestinal fortitude to gut it out and not transfer
It's sad that all of the people that are quick to bash him don't recognize this. The fact that he's at least pushing Jefferson (seemlingly the way Miles talks) is a good thing for him. Jefferson is the guy, but it helps to have someone with at least meaningful experience behind him.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:14 pm to BT
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so JJ doesn't have a problem with bad progression reads and inadequate ability to read defenses?
He did fine when allowed. They used the "audible from the sideline" for both QB's last season. Bad checks were Crowton's fault. . .directly.
JJ does great on progressions. His problem is pulling the ball down too quickly. I have expressed my opinion recently that this behavior has been coached into him, likely out of pick-6 phobia.
quote:You are a complete idiot. Truly and sincerely. . .
Both these guys have majority of the same problems
. . .and you are probably the only guy on this board with this pathetic, and obviously wrong, opinion.
That is the first time I have called someone an idiot on this board in a long damn time, too.
quote:Everyone pretty much agrees with both of those. . .you just can't handle the fact that JJ is the clear choice for starting QB.
Good luck selling that one roaad.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:19 pm to Roaad
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You are a complete idiot. Truly and sincerely. . .
. . .and you are probably the only guy on this board with this pathetic, and obviously wrong, opinion.
That is the first time I have called someone an idiot on this board in a long damn time, too.
It must suck living in a cave.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:21 pm to Roaad
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Everyone pretty much agrees with both of those. .
maybe you should start a poll..
actually only person in this whole fricking thread that agrees is Amoss.. wow shocker.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:21 pm to Boh
quote:I haven't seen him struggle with those 2 aspects. Please provide me examples of him checking into or out of the wrong play. . .
I think he is wrong in thinking Jefferson doesn't have issues in 2 critical areas of the passing game.
And then show me examples of his lack of progression checks.
He does fine in these areas. . .and considerably better than Lee.
That said. . .
. . .is he Peyton Manning? no.
He is not perfect at either, but I wouldn't spend more time with him working on that than I would Lee.
I imagine Crowton spent more time working on JJ's drop back, pocket presence, and internal timing. . .and also his release.
With Lee the focus would be on defensive checks, progression reads. . .and THROWING THE frickING BALL AWAY.
When gameplanning starts, you will see them working on alot of the same things. . .but the first couple scrimmages were there to work on deficiencies.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:23 pm to BT
quote:Keep telling yourself that people value your obviously wrong opinions.
It must suck living in a cave.
You are my personal bitch on this issue, now as always.
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:23 pm to rickyh
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I will just say this, LSU is very fortunate right now that Jarrett Lee had enough intestinal fortitude to gut it out and not transfer. Both quarterbacks are older and more mature and LSU is fortunate to have them both. We will always be one play away from our back-up.
Very well stated!!
JL has character IMO....
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:25 pm to EZ2BLSU
quote:We are very lucky to have such an experienced and talented backup. . .no doubt about it.
JL has character IMO....
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:26 pm to EZ2BLSU
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JL has character IMO....
true, much respect to Jarrett
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:39 pm to Roaad
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Keep telling yourself that people value your obviously wrong opinions.
Just so I understand ... The opinion that I share with numerous others that JJ struggles with progression reads and defensive shceme reads is wrong?
ok
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You are my personal bitch on this issue, now as always.
You seem to have some self esteem issues, so If you feel the need to "win" on a message board, then have at it.
This post was edited on 8/24/10 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 8/24/10 at 7:41 pm to BT
LM's equivocation regarding the QB is...ominous.
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