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Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:26 am to
Posted by Trojan Ace
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:26 am to
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Oh i agree. Lots of SC fans are getting happy all this stuff is happening and they think that its gonna help. I think its the opposite, the NCAA will use this to show they still have the power.


You've been keeping up with everything going on? Some interesting developments and participants (including Congressman). This actually could get very ugly for the ncaa.
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 11:55 am to
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You've been keeping up with everything going on? Some interesting developments and participants (including Congressman). This actually could get very ugly for the ncaa.

I heard that SC had hired the Freeh group to address this, but I haven't heard much about what progress if any, has been made as a result.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:12 pm to
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You've been keeping up with everything going on


Very much so. I am familiar with what you're talking about. Its just my opinion, i dont have much faith that the NCAA will show us any leniency
Posted by Trojan Ace
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:16 pm to
Some high-profile attorneys, including the highest profile NCAA Infractions attorney, have gotten involved and been very vocal about the absolute abuse of power by the COI.

Several Congressmen, including one from Alabama, are already commenting and have been given all information and are subsequently starting their own inquiries.

This is but a tip of the iceberg, and of course the media is not going to report it, but it will become more common knowledge soon.
Posted by BozoBus
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Member since Oct 2007
294 posts
Posted on 1/6/11 at 4:02 pm to
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There will be no increase in penalties, clown.


And nowhere in my post did you read me declare there would be, Unadmitted Senseless Clown. My post:

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In effect the Unrepentant Serial Cheaters are applying EE's to last year's class and so are spreading the 3 year restrictions over 4. Hopefully the NCAA will take offense to their 15 schollie limit being circumvented and use the appeal to revisit the McKnight issue and USC'S defiant response to the sanctions to increase the penalties. The infractions committee said at the time that there was a strong sentiment among them to make the sanctions even more severe. It has to gall some of them to see the first year of the sanctions essentially disappear.


Continuing with your response:
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USC's response to sanctions was to fire the AD,

You mean the AD who not 24 hours later declared the sanctions were due to Trojan envy -- to the raucous ovation of a hall full of Trojan boosters?

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improve the compliance department by adding more staff,

The fact that the compliance department was incredibly (intentionally?) understaffed is precisely one of the reasons the charge of a lack of institutional control was valid and sanctions appropriate -- and not due to Trojan envy. Add to this the fact that 3 sports were found in violation while the school was already on probation, and it is clear why the COI was inclined to levy heavier sanctions.

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and replacing the outgoing AD with Pat Haden. Haden is a Rhodes Scholar/Rose Bowl & National Championship QB and alumnus all in one.

Time will tell if that was a prudent hire, the fire was a no-brainer. For better or worse, he has hitched his wagon to the appeal and the Unproven Suspect Child, Kiffin. Haden does seem to be more tactful about dealing with the NCAA, mindful of the appeal. As for the Rhodes Scholar thing, it is said that the Rhodes Scholarships were instituted with the specific intent of advancing progressivism (American socialism). Is Haden a Democrat? When Haden was playing for the Trojans, the school and its fan base cared about honor/integrity before winning -- and counted me among their fans.

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His MO is to win things the right way or not at all.

Well it WAS. Other than winning a broadcasting job with Notre Dame, he hasn't won anything in a long time. How many programs has he administered? And can he turn around the institution and its fan base? As mentioned in this thread, there is a move afoot to launch a Congressional investigation into the NCAA with USC's case as the focal point of the NCAA's processes. Also, the University of Frivolous Suits has lawyered up (gratifying the fan base enormously) to explore the possibility of legal action against the NCAA, if the appeal does not go their way. Who is behind these two threats? Mr. Do-Things-the-Right-Way? They seem to be intended to intimidate the NCAA, coercing a favorable outcome to the appeal.

This self-professed clown thinks these responses carry more significance than USC hiring an inexperienced AD -- who, it seems, is plotting/planning to do harm to the NCAA. Unadmitted Senseless Clowns think the opposite.

Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13136 posts
Posted on 1/6/11 at 5:46 pm to
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Time will tell if that was a prudent hire, the fire was a no-brainer. For better or worse, he has hitched his wagon to the appeal and the Unproven Suspect Child, Kiffin. Haden does seem to be more tactful about dealing with the NCAA, mindful of the appeal. As for the Rhodes Scholar thing, it is said that the Rhodes Scholarships were instituted with the specific intent of advancing progressivism (American socialism). Is Haden a Democrat? When Haden was playing for the Trojans, the school and its fan base cared about honor/integrity before winning -- and counted me among their fans. quote: His MO is to win things the right way or not at all. Well it WAS. Other than winning a broadcasting job with Notre Dame, he hasn't won anything in a long time. How many programs has he administered? And can he turn around the institution and its fan base? As mentioned in this thread, there is a move afoot to launch a Congressional investigation into the NCAA with USC's case as the focal point of the NCAA's processes. Also, the University of Frivolous Suits has lawyered up (gratifying the fan base enormously) to explore the possibility of legal action against the NCAA, if the appeal does not go their way. Who is behind these two threats? Mr. Do-Things-the-Right-Way? They seem to be intended to intimidate the NCAA, coercing a favorable outcome to the appeal.
It seems as if you are implying the NCAA is above reproach. Newsflash: They, and especially Paul Dee (look up his record at Miami: fox in the henhouse doesn't do it justice) are accountable to member institutions, and must act within the law. The NCAA and its practices will be put under a legal microscope to hold them accountable for any missteps they might have made in not only the prosecution of USC, but several other prominent institutions. This is not about coercion, but about fairness and accountability versus inconsistencies and personal agendas.

With regards to Haden's politics, I have no clue how he votes. All I know is that in addition to the Rhodes Scholarship, he continued his education stateside and became a Juris Doctor, as well as a very successful venture capitalist and member of the board of trustees at USC (even when calling ND's games as their color guy).

Feel free to hop back aboard the bandwagon, but leave the floppy shoes behind.
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