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re: Monday Recruiting Bits

Posted on 3/27/12 at 10:20 pm to
Posted by jayboy504
Harvey
Member since Dec 2011
893 posts
Posted on 3/27/12 at 10:20 pm to
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I can't see any Prevot link if that is where Wiley is right now.


Was not intended as a link...Chuck Wiley was one of the DL coaches at the Dallas event this past weekend. I said since CW played at LSU, maybe he could put in a word for us.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18138 posts
Posted on 3/27/12 at 10:28 pm to
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So I don't think it would hurt so bad to waste a scholly on a player who may end up being processed in a couple of years anyway in exchange for Nkemdiche.


Schollies don't grow on trees, we have some slimming to get to 85 after spring practice is over.

I for one am proud of our coaches for not offering Kamara. I'm not one of those guys who thinks RN is JUST trying to get him an offer by talking us up, but it definitely doesn't make us look desperate. He plays a pos of need, but there's a new RN every year.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42172 posts
Posted on 3/27/12 at 10:54 pm to
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Was not intended as a link...Chuck Wiley was one of the DL coaches at the Dallas event this past weekend. I said since CW played at LSU, maybe he could put in a word for us.


I didn't know that. Thanks. I kept thinking hard about that link.
Posted by Larry Hollins
Member since Jul 2009
1545 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:42 am to
you are crazy if you wouldn't offer kamara to get RN (the no. 1 player in the country)if and only if it ACTUALLY gets us RN. last year we only got 22-23 players so it won't hurt us to GIVE UP one schollie to kamara.

I'd do it in a heartbeat but only if it really got us RN and obviously we wouldn't know that until signing day. on th flip side it might make us look bad if RN pulled a 360 on us and signed with someone else and we had to pull kamara on signing day. THE NO.1 PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY IS ALWAYS WORTH MORE THAN 2 4* PLAYERS.
Posted by FamousAmos
Member since Feb 2010
3276 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 9:53 am to
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THE NO.1 PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY IS ALWAYS WORTH MORE THAN 2 4* PLAYERS.


Sincerely,

Ronald Powell, Bryce Brown.
Posted by tigerbru17
Billy in 4C
Member since Jan 2009
10183 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 10:02 am to
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I'd do it in a heartbeat but only if it really got us RN and obviously we wouldn't know that until signing day. on th flip side it might make us look bad if RN pulled a 360 on us and signed with someone else and we had to pull kamara on signing day. THE NO.1 PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY IS ALWAYS WORTH MORE THAN 2 4* PLAYERS.

Dumbest thing I have read on here in a while.
Posted by Larry Hollins
Member since Jul 2009
1545 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 10:21 am to
not really. some no.1 guys don't pan out but we PROBABLY would have won 2 NCs if we had gotten BARKLEY when he was no. 1 recruit.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
76802 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 10:37 am to
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THE NO.1 PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY IS ALWAYS WORTH MORE THAN 2 4* PLAYERS.


It isn't that simple. This depends A LOT on needs and depth.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60712 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 10:54 am to
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THE NO.1 PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY IS ALWAYS WORTH MORE THAN 2 4* PLAYERS




Why do people view everything like it was a poker hand? In poker it doesn't matter what the 2nd best hand, ranking players doesn't work that way.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60712 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 10:57 am to
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1 guys don't pan out but we PROBABLY would have won 2 NCs if we had gotten BARKLEY when he was no. 1 recruit.


I don't think Barkley was the #1 ranked player, but that aside, this statement is problematic on 2 fronts. First its nothing but 20/20 hindsight and speculation, but more importantly, even if we accept that better QB play wins the 2011 BCS CG for LSU, there are probaby 2 dozen QB's that could have been good enough.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60712 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 10:57 am to
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1 guys don't pan out but we PROBABLY would have won 2 NCs if we had gotten BARKLEY when he was no. 1 recruit.


I don't think Barkley was the #1 ranked player, but that aside, this statement is problematic on 2 fronts. First its nothing but 20/20 hindsight and speculation, but more importantly, even if we accept that better QB play wins the 2011 BCS CG for LSU, there are probaby 2 dozen QB's that could have been good enough.
Posted by tigerbru17
Billy in 4C
Member since Jan 2009
10183 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 12:39 pm to
When will people realize that stars don't mean shite and the coaches don't even look at that. Quote from Brick Haley last week,"we don't give a shite what rank the kids get from a nerd who never played the game, all it does is make these premadonnas feel entitled to playing time."
This post was edited on 3/28/12 at 12:40 pm
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
35808 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 12:40 pm to
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all it does is make these premadonnas feel entitled to playing time


boom
Posted by Dez
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2007
1760 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 12:42 pm to
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Quote from Brick Haley last week,"we don't give a shite what rank the kids get from a nerd who never played the game, all it does is make these premadonnas feel entitled to playing time."


fricking awesome!
Posted by Larry Hollins
Member since Jul 2009
1545 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 1:16 pm to
star system is an approximation that many recruiting nerds use to judge the OVERALL CALIBER of the recruiting class. if stars/ranking didn't exist or had NO meaning most people would be left with taking LM word every year when he says we had an awesome class.

current system is a REASONABLE tool to compare classes between different schools. to say stars have no meaning is a bonehead statement.
Posted by tigerbru17
Billy in 4C
Member since Jan 2009
10183 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 1:18 pm to
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current system is a REASONABLE tool to compare classes between different schools. to say stars have no meaning is a bonehead statement.

I guess that means one of the most productive recruiting programs in the nation such as LSU are just a bunch of boneheads.
Posted by Larry Hollins
Member since Jul 2009
1545 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 1:25 pm to
tigerbru, LSU doesn't need to use stars/rankings since they have other resources & camps etc. I'm not arguing with Haley's idea that stars don't matter to LSU recruiter, but they do represent another group of information sources for people outside of the coaching profession.

stars/rankings can be used by others and have SOME value.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13321 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 2:01 pm to
My thought process is why turn away a better talent and better candidate for future contributions for a borderline kid that will be processed in a couple of years? That makes no since. I've said before that when looking over the 85 it's easy to say "offer Kamara to get Nkemdiche" because the reality is that there are likely 15-20 kids on the roster that will never be major contributors. In a yearly 25 man class it's entirely different. Why do you think schools oversign? It isn't for fun. It's because in a given year those 25 are all kids with a blank slate and the staff has high hopes for all of them to be future contributors. It's hard to digest a "package offer" in a 25 man class knowing that a better talent was turned away because of it. Every recruiting class is like the NFL draft. You want as many 1st rounders as possible and taking a 7th rounder just doesn't sit well or make since. If Kamara wants to camp and earn an offer then fine but not otherwise. It's not going to work anyway. You don't see Bama offering Kamara do you? That's because they've got him wrapped up nicely with a bow. Offering Kamara is a sign of desperation and I personally don't want my LSU Tigers showing desperation over a recruit. Trust me Nkemdiche is that big a playmaker. He can be taken out of a game just as easy as any other kid. Football doesn't work like basketball where one player can make the difference between winning and losing. QB is the only position even comparable to that and even they're rare. Cam Newton's don't come along that often. Even with his greatness without Fairley blowing people up along with the rest of the defense, Auburn wouldn't have won the title.
Posted by Larry Hollins
Member since Jul 2009
1545 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 2:11 pm to
you don't HAVE to take 25 guys each year. USC often took 18-22 under carroll because he didn't want to waste valuable training time on marginal guys. if taking 25 potential contributors is so important then the staff/fans should be pissed off royally at us taking less than 25 last years. I just don't believe 1 or 2 slots a year make a difference.

having a dominant dl does make a difference. see fairley when auburn won nc and dorsey when LSU won nc.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60712 posts
Posted on 3/28/12 at 2:19 pm to
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When will people realize that stars don't mean shite


Define don't mean shite?

quote:

the coaches don't even look at that.


and they shouldn't since they should do their own evals and have greater access then the recruiting sites do.

Now do you think its a coincidence that LSU, Alabama, UGA, USC and pretty much every big school is recruiting Robert Nkmdiche aand he is 5 star and the #1 player? They are not recruiting him because the is a 5 star on rivals, he's a 5 star on rivals because apparently everyone that has seen him play thinks he has great potential including the LSU coaching staff and the "nerds that never played the game" that scout players for a living.
This post was edited on 3/28/12 at 4:09 pm
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