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Posted on 11/15/09 at 8:55 pm to
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 11/15/09 at 8:55 pm to
obviously, 4.4 means 4.40 or better to the entire modern world, right? You talked big shite like the ranter you were and now you can't back it up. Its o.k. to admit that you are scared he will get drafted high.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61780 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 8:58 pm to
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obviously, 4.4 means 4.40 or better to the entire modern world, right? You talked big shite like the ranter you were and now you can't back it up. Its o.k. to admit that you are scared he will get drafted high.


Weak.

Again, just say what you meant and be specific.

I will say that if Toliver could line up and run a 4.50 (very specific) right now, that he's no guarantee to go in the top 2 rounds this year.

Personally, I'd put his chances of running sub 4.50 at 50/50 at best.
Posted by PastySkankster
Houston
Member since Sep 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:00 pm to
People who don't think he is EXACTLY what nfl scouts want are better suited watching cricket. This kid project very well in the pros and I hope his last few games of the year don't tempt him too much after this year of players who should have gone.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81400 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:00 pm to
its ashame that you don't have the balls to back up your big talk

You're just a ranter who thinks if he types that all LSU players need to stay until their eligibility to be "coached up" than it will somehow come true.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61780 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:03 pm to
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its ashame that you don't have the balls to back up your big talk


I already posted that I'll take the bet as long as I get credit when he decides to stay in school due to his draft grade at the end of the year.

That's pretty damn logical.
Posted by PastySkankster
Houston
Member since Sep 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:04 pm to
Posted by PastySkankster
Houston
Member since Sep 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:05 pm to
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81400 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

I already posted that I'll take the bet as long as I get credit when he decides to stay in school due to his draft grade at the end of the year.

That's pretty damn logical.


no, its chickenshit and has nothing to do with the bet/your original big talk in this thread. The fact that you don't "care enough" to risk banishment on your original big talk but do care enough to risk it on 2 other modified bets that have nothing to do with your original argument proves your greatness.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61780 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:15 pm to
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no, its chickenshit and has nothing to do with the bet/your original big talk in this thread. The fact that you don't "care enough" to risk banishment on your original big talk but do care enough to risk it on 2 other modified bets that have nothing to do with your original argument proves your greatness.


wtf are you talking about?

My point was that there is no guarantee that Toliver would be a top 2 round pick this year. This was counter to your opinion.

In truth, I have no idea what he'd really run at the combine. He easily could surprise me and then I'd end up being wrong. Or, maybe the NFL opinion on him is better than I would expect at this time.

Having said that, I think there is a better chance of me being correct than incorrect.

So, you offered a bet saying that if he comes out and is better than 2nd round, then I'm banned. Otherwise you are banned.

Even though I believe what I stated, that's a dumb bet because you aren't taking any risk since his decision will be made based on a pre-draft grade he's given by NFL GMs. For a guy who talks as big as you do, I'm sure you know the process.

So, my only addition to the bet is that if he decides to stay, then you lose. I think that's pretty reasonable. Shouldn't I win if Toliver gets a 3rd round grade and decides to stay? Or, should you get the benefit of taking no risk until Toliver actually hears that he graded higher than I believe?

Now, are you too chickenshit to take that bet? Are you too scared to risk banishment?

My position has been consistent. IMO, Keys has had the most logical position in this thread. I can't imagine that anyone would be surprised if Toliver comes out and runs 4.5x given LSU's 40 performances in the past relative to their hype.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81400 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:21 pm to
the NFL gm grades aren't specific to the single round and 20 year old players are certainly not 100% on following their advice. Its ok, you came in here trying to pile on, got called out on your ranter shite and are now backpedalling like a champ. I'm completely talking out of my arse per your first post yet you are scared to death to back that claim up while you offer 2 counter bets that are skewed much more to your favor. Fantastic rantardation.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61780 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:24 pm to
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I'm completely talking out of my arse per your first post yet you are scared to death to back that claim up while you offer 2 counter bets that are skewed much more to your favor


...says the guy who will only take the bet under the assumption that the NFL GMs give Toliver a grade worthy of leaving LSU. Way to go out on a limb there guy.

Logic is obviously your strong point. :notreally:
This post was edited on 11/15/09 at 9:25 pm
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81400 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:30 pm to
i will only take the bet based off of your own big talk in this very thread? Yeah, i'm so full of shite and am such a coward.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61780 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:36 pm to
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i will only take the bet based off of your own big talk in this very thread? Yeah, i'm so full of shite and am such a coward.


In your world, Toliver could get a draft grade outside of the first 2 rounds (just like the article written recently stated) and decide to say for his senior year to improve his stock and you wouldn't lose.

You only risk losing if in fact Toliver gets information that indicates that he should come out (usually a first round grade).

If you don't want to make the bet, I don't care. But, to pretend that the bet was reasonable when you offered it, and unreasonable after my minor change is pathetic really...because that's exactly opposite of correct.

I suggest you go read Keys few posts in this thread. He has a very reasonable and logical take on the subject.

FYI, I'm not saying that there is no chance that Toliver could be drafted high this year. I'm jsut saying that I doubt it happens and that it certainly isn't a sure thing as you say it is.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81400 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:38 pm to
i'm just saying that you are a big mouth liar with no balls
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61780 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:47 pm to
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i'm just saying that you are a big mouth liar with no balls


...says the guy who won't take the bet that exactly reflects the differing opinions of the two sides.

Again, all I'm saying is that if he chooses not to come out, I should win. That's it.

You man enough to take the bet? Or, are you chicken shite?
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81400 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 9:53 pm to
you are pretending like the only reason he would come back is because of a shitty draft grade. again its ok that you are a liar and a chicken shite.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61780 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:01 pm to
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you are pretending like the only reason he would come back is because of a shitty draft grade. again its ok that you are a liar and a chicken shite.


So, you are trying to protect yourself from teh possibility that Toliver loves LSU so much that he stays even though he has a high draft grade? That happens all the time.

If you are a pussy, then say you are a pussy. Don't try to save face on a message board. It's literally pathetic.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:11 pm to
This thread is a tard war and Maximus is a master of them. He's absolutely handling the two of you and you should probably just stop while you still have a shred of dignity left.

So Max, are you excited about your quickly approaching entrance into the 6 digit club?
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81400 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:12 pm to
i'm sure the "i know you are but what am i" argument works well for you at the plant but you're failing pretty hard here.
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
6646 posts
Posted on 11/15/09 at 10:25 pm to
Isn't there something going on this year involving the CBA that creates an uncapped year? Or did they get that sorted out?

If there is an uncapped year, more juniors will leave for the draft than normal.
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