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re: HOLD THAT TIGER !! Curry Commits

Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:20 am to
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:20 am to
No, they have been a lot of CB's on 247 as of recent with him to UGA. A school he was fully committed to before.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:33 am to
We need offensive players so badly that most people on this forum have all but forgotten.

We legitimately need 4-5 receivers and at least 2 running backs.

Hopefully we get the tight end from Richwood as I love his size and speed at 6'6 220 with 4.6-7 speed.

We can't afford to turn down any offers from offensive skilled positions right now.

Yet, having said that I still want Anderson. I hope they hold onto that Tiger as he has the quickness and speed to play the position.
Posted by 1723lale
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
2221 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:38 am to
Ok, I see what you're saying but we are losing C.Thompson
,Voorhies, Patterson & key after this season so I'm not crying and praying that he signs, but I certainly am not of the attitude that I don't care if he flips to Georgia. I would simply continue to recruit him.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:48 am to
And they are still interested in Beal at TE. They're too many players out there and not enough slots left because they have signed so many kids so early. I mean Anderson is a good player, yeah, but I would rather have these other kids at the other positions because his position is well stocked now, and he's not sure he wants to be at LSU anymore.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:07 am to
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And they are still interested in Beal at TE. They're too many players out there and not enough slots left because they have signed so many kids so early. I mean Anderson is a good player, yeah, but I would rather have these other kids at the other positions because his position is well stocked now, and he's not sure he wants to be at LSU anymore.



If that turns out the case---limited slots means we must take only offensive players--then I am with you on your reasoning.

I also agree that as of right now if we lost Anderson and it freed a slot for another offensive player I wouldn't lose much sleep. I'm telling you, we need skilled players very badly right now for the future.

Beal is another TE as you said. He and the kid from Richwood are the ones we want it seems and I like them both.

If we took both tight ends that is two slots.

If we take 5 receivers as we already have jenkins that brings us to 6 or 7 slots.

We take 1 or 2 more running backs and that is 7 or 8 slots.

We are already at 19 commits. So, I see what you are talking about. Not sure how many scholarship players we have on the roster (counters) as of today. Things will fluctuate for sure. But, we need mostly offensive players the rest of the way in my opinion.

I hope we close with:

WR
Marshall
Jason
Keys
Chase

RB
Bolden and
Franklin, Joiner, or Cook..

TE
Beal
Spivey

Maybe another offensive lineman or defensive lineman in the mix along with Surtain.

We are going to go over the slots. That is happening.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:15 am to
No doubt, they are going to go over, and I have no clue as to how they will pull this shite off. lol That's why I'm saying losing Anderson and especially Griffin is no big deal to me because they need the slots. You have all these players out there still strongly considering LSU with LSU having limited availability schollie wise. You got 3 to 4 RB's, shite, even more WR's, probably about 4 to 6 of them, 2, 3 OT's, and 2 Te's. And on defense you still got about 3 DB's, and 2 DL's. Timaje Porter is still strongly considering LSU as they changed his mind on his last visit when he was about to commit to Auburn. He loves O and the old man Jenkins, and Porter is a bigger NT than was advertised, he is actually 6'2" 1/2 and has slimmed down to 320 his HC said. If he committed to LSU they would definitely take that monster over Griffin. It's gonna be interesting down to the wire as to how they will handle this because some kids will get their feelings hurt.

but I will say after it's all over it will be one of their deepest and strongest classes ever, a shite load of talent.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 4:29 am
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
12868 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:58 am to
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No doubt, they are going to go over, and I have no clue as to how they will pull this shite off. lol That's why I'm saying losing Anderson and especially Griffin is no big deal to me because they need the slots. You have all these players out there still strongly considering LSU with LSU having limited availability schollie wise.
What we're heading towards is a Bamaesque "processing" as a matter of SOP. Some people, here and in real life, are going to freak when it happens. I personally welcome it. It is the name of the game. I hate when we hold spots for some kids, send others away because of that, and it ends up being a waste because of a flip, a NCAA non-qualifier, and a SEC hold on a player that would be let in at another school.

I've said it before, winning is more important than "being nice" or being "favorably reported on". Time to be ruthless in this business. If that means greyshirts, processed, and pulled offers (as long as in moderation) I'm all for it. Win and all that eventually does not matter.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:04 am to
It's nice we're filling up this early but we really need some elite blue chip recruits in this class. That's the only thing really lacking is that top heavy bad asses that send it way over the top with a few major impact players.
Posted by BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2013
1352 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

We need offensive players so badly that most people on this forum have all but forgotten.

We legitimately need 4-5 receivers and at least 2 running backs.

Hopefully we get the tight end from Richwood as I love his size and speed at 6'6 220 with 4.6-7 speed.

We can't afford to turn down any offers from offensive skilled positions right now.

Yet, having said that I still want Anderson. I hope they hold onto that Tiger as he has the quickness and speed to play the position.



Agreed. Add to that 3 OT's also, ((assuming Rosenthal is an OT, then we finish it off with Traore or the other Juco OT.) and I honestly wouldnt mind taking both Juco OT's in case Rosenthal is resistant, either way both he and Wire are raw and need at least 2 full years to develop if not 3), and I would also take an underrated or borderline QB like Carter Bradley also.

This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:32 pm to
I'm confident that the staff will make the right choices for the class.

Rosenthal will be a tackle. Anyone who claims otherwise is wrong. He has potential to be a top pick in the NFL draft with his size and athleticism at the tackle position.

We will get one of the JUCO's as Coach O has said that we need one at least. So I only assume he will push hard for one of them to commit. With Wire we are set.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:23 pm to
I see some asses on here are downvoting me for telling the truth. People are funny I swear because what I'm saying isn't any different from what y'all are saying, but I'm just being blunt and honest about it as opposed to sugarcoating it.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:47 pm to
Truth offends...

That's just how it goes.

Posted by BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2013
1352 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Rosenthal will be a tackle. Anyone who claims otherwise is wrong. He has potential to be a top pick in the NFL draft with his size and athleticism at the tackle position.

We will get one of the JUCO's as Coach O has said that we need one at least. So I only assume he will push hard for one of them to commit. With Wire we are set.



Agreed. Both Rosenthal and Wire are extremely raw, and are a minimum 2 years before seeing the field in meaningful playing time. Hopefully one of the Juco players can step in at LT, and someone between Savage, Magee, and Deculus will hold down the RT spot in the meantime.

As for the numbers, I'm curious also how this all goes down. It's very clear that Orgeron is a great recruiter, but its also just as clear that his methodology is very different from Miles.

Miles started out strong, but would lull after summer camps, leaving about 10 to 15 spots open. We would get 1 or 2 commits during football season, and then 8 to 10 after jan and before signing day. He liked to roll the dice on the elite recruits that drag out their recruitments. His classes were relatively balanced, and based on the NFL draft classes, his talent could match any in the country.(despite obvious deficiencies in QB)

I am fully on board with Coach O, and agree with all the moves he has made in the offseason(lone exception being the offer to Tua late based on bad info from Kiffin, but then publically saying he prefers DT QB's turning off Myles, then correcting himself saying he likes PRO QB's later upsetting Lowell, though he recovered nicely so it's a wash).

However, I cannot recall, so I have to do research, but I need to investigate Orgeron's classes at Ole Miss. I think I remember people criticizing him for taking too many DL, and shorting more important positions of need.

So far the composition of this class does not fully reflect its needs, but that could very easily have more to do with the fact that we have a new OC, and many recruits are waiting to see what the new offense looks to see how compatible their talents are and where they fit in.

We have Anderson, Cherry, Moore(even if we call him a WDE), and Scott (3 all in the same position with Anthony, Martin, Key, and Chassion.)

Cotton is listed as a DT, but I would assume he is a SDE. I'm not sure where that puts Jenkins. I dont think he is a true NG, so Im thinking he is also a SDE or might be a DT in some packages. We still need a true NG which I think Tamaje Porter fits that bill.

So, defensively we take Porter at NG, Surtain as a CB, and Miller as an MiLB. I personally dont think we need Griffin at all. The only way we could use him with his measurables might be as a FB, which would be fine, but we use more of an HB now than a pure FB, and we took one last cycle. I would rather an extra TE than a FB his size.

So that's 3 more added on the defense, but lets subtract 1 for Griffin with the possibility of losing Anderson if we lose Griffin.(I def want Anderson, but we are stacked at the position, and it may be inevitable).

So, if the above is correct we need(left):
2 to 3 WR's (Marshall, Keys, Chase?)
1 RB (Franklin)
1 OT (Traore)
1 or 2 TE/HB (Spivey)
1 NG (Porter)
1 MLB (Miller)
1 DB (Surtain)
1 QB (Bradely)
Subtract Griffin and/or Anderson

That would put us at 28 with Anderson, or 27 w/o

How's that look for everyone?


This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:56 pm to
No doubt.
Posted by reo45
Member since Nov 2015
6362 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

It's nice we're filling up this early but we really need some elite blue chip recruits in this class. That's the only thing really lacking is that top heavy bad asses that send it way over the top with a few major impact players.



Marshall will be one. I expect we get one top flight running back and Surtain.

The offensive class this year nation wide isn't strong outside the receiver position. We get Marshall, Jason, Keys, Chase, Jenkins, we are set.


I am not even that impressed with the 2018 class across the board to be quite honest. Outside a few talents like Marshall, Surtain, Lawrence, and possibly White at RB (although I don't think he is much better than players like Franklin or Joiner) there is no transcendent talents in this class.

Next year we are looking at possibly 5-6 five star players in our own backyard alone..

Be patient fella.

Thomas
Lee
Sophser
Emery
Starks
possibly Gleason or Hutchinson from West Monroe.
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
9621 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

I see some asses on here are downvoting me for telling the truth. People are funny I swear because what I'm saying isn't any different from what y'all are saying, but I'm just being blunt and honest about it as opposed to sugarcoating it.


Probably because you sound like an idiot that is essentially trash talking about one of the best commits we have right now? Chaisson could tear his ACL next practice for all you know, you take elite talents when you can get them, especially pass rushers

You basically want to pull his offer because he possibly isn't 100% right now? Glad you're not a coach.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:05 pm to
Go back and read my comments, a-hole. Tell me where I trash talked down Anderson?? I knew one of you arse idiots would appear as soon as I baited you to do so. Lol
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:08 pm to
That list looks fine, except it won't go that way. Right, now they are looking like they will take 3 RB's and proabaly 3 WR's, maybe even 4 WR's. That throws a wrench in it right there, sorry my man.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted by BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2013
1352 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

That list looks fine, except it won't go that way. Right, now they are looking like they will take 3 RB's and proabaly 3 WR's, maybe even 4 WR's. That throws a wrench in it right there, sorry my man.


No worries brotha. I dont see them taking 4 more WR's with the 2 we have, but I suppose it wouldnt be unheard of. I would prefer Eagles, Keys, Marshal, Jason and Chase, but as for now we have Jenkins and Jones.

I honestly see no way that we would take 3 RB's. The only way I could see that is if we nab Franklin and then Cook wants in or if Slade gets an offer as an ATH, and we play him at slot and give him reps at RB.

Posted by BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2013
1352 posts
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

Marshall will be one. I expect we get one top flight running back and Surtain.

The offensive class this year nation wide isn't strong outside the receiver position. We get Marshall, Jason, Keys, Chase, Jenkins, we are set.


I am not even that impressed with the 2018 class across the board to be quite honest. Outside a few talents like Marshall, Surtain, Lawrence, and possibly White at RB (although I don't think he is much better than players like Franklin or Joiner) there is no transcendent talents in this class.

Next year we are looking at possibly 5-6 five star players in our own backyard alone..

Be patient fella.

Thomas
Lee
Sophser
Emery
Starks
possibly Gleason or Hutchinson from West Monroe.



Agreed. It's a shame we have so many offensive needs this class because I would rather take a smaller class and stack up in '19.

Not that I believe in throwing in the towel early, but I would bet with high confidence that we can scratch Sopsher off the board all together. I haven't heard enough from Lee's corner to know if he is working with Petito also, but Im sure at best it will be quite the fight to keep him in state, so we cant count that as a layup.
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