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re: Coaching Changes = Recruiting Uncertainty
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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how bad it is to lose 2 qbs with just 2 months left before nsd.
Am I taking crazy pills?!?!?! WE HAVEN'T LOST THEM YET DUDE. We lead for both of their committments!
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Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:46 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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I didn't say the difference between LSU and Bama is coaching. I said coaching is the main difference.
But its not. The reason we cant run on bama is the talent and depth of their front 7. When saban has dline that can push our oline 2 yards into the back field on every play, other coaches arent saying,"why didnt i think of that?"
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:49 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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I taking crazy pills?!?!?! WE HAVEN'T LOST THEM YET DUDE. We lead for both of their committments!
Wow. Opening up their recruiting IS THE SAME AS DECOMMITTING. We have to spend time and resources to get them back into the fold. We also have to spend time and resources on back up plans incase they sign somewhere else.
A recruit reopening his recruitment has the same affect on a staff as a player decommitting.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:50 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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But its not. The reason we cant run on bama is the talent and depth of their front 7. When saban has dline that can push our oline 2 yards into the back field on every play, other coaches arent saying,"why didnt i think of that?"
Why are we running into a brick wall when they have a defensive front like that? Our gameplanning was shite. Ole Miss beat Bama two years in a row. They had an average draft class of about, I'd say, 7 or 8. Hugh Freeze can coach.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Opening up their recruiting IS THE SAME AS DECOMMITTING
HAVE THEY COMMITTED ANYWHERE ELSE???! You keep saying we lost them but they're not committed to another school. Recruiting isn't going to go exactly as you want it all the time. Yes, Orgeron fricked up. But we're still in AWESOME shape considering the cirumstances. Minimum I expect we end up with Brennan or Narcisse and Marvin Wilson or Cam Akers. We should end up with a top 3 class when we had an interim head coach for the majority of the season where we ended 7-5. I don't think you realize how crazy that is.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:58 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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Why are we running into a brick wall when they have a defensive front like that?
You have seen saban with like talent.
He won more than 7 games just 1 time at MSU.
At lsu he lost less than 3 games 1 time.
At bama he lost to an inferior team every year but once.
While saban is a great coach the run they are on is mostly because they are far more talented than everyone.
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Ole Miss beat Bama two years in a row
Only because of turnovers. Bama outplayed them every time. The thing that seperates bama and everyone else is talent. They have had 5 straight #1 classes.
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They had an average draft class of about, I'd say, 7 or 8.
They had 1 good year and 1 ok year and they both coincided with great recruiting classes paying off
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:04 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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HAVE THEY COMMITTED ANYWHERE ELSE???!
My god youre clearly not listening.
Ill try one more time.
They have opened up their recruiting. Which has the same affect as if they wouldve DECOMMITTED. When a recruit reopens their recruiting it means the staff that they decommitted from has to spend time and resources to get them back into the fold while also spending time and resources on backup plans(other qb recruits)in case they cant get the recruits to recommit.
This is the same process that a staff goes through if they have a recruit that outright decommits.
You do realize that if these players HAD NOT REOPENED THEIR RECRUITING that the staff could spend all their time and resources on players that had not made a decision yet. Its never a good thing to have 2 of your top recruits reopen their recruiting just 2 months before nsd. Its not just normal.
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Minimum I expect we end up with Brennan or Narcisse and Marvin Wilson or Cam Akers. We should end up with a top 3 class when we had an
And now instead of knowing we end up with Brennan and narcisse, our staff has to spend time and resources on trying to lock up these players that were already committed to lsu at one point AND SPEND TIME AND RESOURCES ON BACKUP PLANS.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:07 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You're confusing me with thinking I think that talent doesn't matter. Of course it matters. But do I think our number 3 recruiting class compared to Bamas number 1 class is the reason why we're so far behind them? frick no. If we had just an AVERAGE head coach and offensive coordinator this year we would have beaten Bama. Our talent can match up with anybody in the country. Ohio State beat them in the National championship game because they had Urban Meyer at HC and Tom Herman as OC. Yes, they had Ezekiel Elliott but we have Leonard Fournette. Yes, they had Joey Bosa, but we had Arden Key. Yes, they had Darron Lee, but we had Kendall Beckwith. Our secondary was better than Ohio States probably. COACHING COACHING COACHING. LSU is SOOOOO far behind in coaching. We have the same amount of talent as Ohio State, Florida State, Michigan, etc. All those teams are killing it and we have a 7-5 season. I'd rather have a number 10 overall class with an elite HC than a number 1 overall class with a shite HC ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:09 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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But do I think our number 3 recruiting class compared to Bamas number 1 class is the reason why we're so far behind them?
Lets not act like our recruiting classes havent been propped up by 5 star wrs and cbs.
Also, our 2012 class was 18th.
We have had 2 top 5 classes in the last 4. Bama has had 5 straight.
Everyone has less talent than bama by a good margin. They have 6 players RIGHT NOW with 1st round grades.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:09 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You obviously aren't understanding what I'm saying. You're acting like Brennan and Narcisse are already gone and committed to to other schools. That's not the case. But for some reason you keep saying they're gone. Your pessimism just kills me.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:13 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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You're acting like Brennan and Narcisse are already gone and committed to to other schools. T
Wow. At no point did i say they were gone. You clearly dont understand that now we have to spend time and resources on those 2 players because they reopenned their recruiting. We also have to spend time and resources on backup plans in case they dont come back.
I have never said they are gone. You clearly dont understand that instead of having a solid commitment from these 2 playersn we now have to divert time and resources to bring them back into the fold. Time and resources that could be used on other recruits if these 2 players hadnt reopened theor recruiting.
Yes they both could still sign with lsu. But that doesnt mean that their reopening of recruiting doesnt have a huge effect on our time and resources that are spent on recruiting.
I wouldnt be worried if this wasnt so close to NSD.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I have never said they are gone
You said we lost them like 3 or 4 different times in this thread. When someone says we lost this recruit I would think he was gone and we had no chance of getting him back. I guess I just misunderstood you.
But it just comes down to you being a little pessimistic and me being a little optimistic. Did Orgeron frick up? Yes. But we still have a number 4 class that could jump to the number 2 class potentially when Akers and Marvin Wilson make their announcements.
I don't think there is anyway we miss out on Brennan AND Narcisse. Brennan wants to be here. Narcisse could go to Auburn but I promise you it's not the end of the world. When Tony Brown, Speedy Noil, and Gerald Willis all went elsewhere all LSU fans thought it was the end of the world. Well Tony Brown isn't doing much, Speedy Noil was a huge bust, and Gerald Willis was such a head case that his career was over within two years.
I get being upset that Orgeron made this harder than it needed to be but some people act like the entire class is shot now. We still have an incredible class. With Etling and Scott on our roster and another good qb committed next year. Just wait it out until after we hire our OC and NSD.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:32 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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You said we lost them like 3 or 4 different times in this threa
I meant we lost them as a solid commitment. I shouldve worded it different. My bad.
Hopefully this is just a blip on the radar. I too believe that one of them will be here once we hire an oc.
quote:agreed but qb is a mist get for this year in case scott doesnt work out and i think Brennan can be a great player at lsu. Im not as high on narcisse because of injuries. IMO nothing worse than losing starting qb in cfb.
We still have an incredible class.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
It is all Les Miles fault.... Everything in the world is his fault
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Yeah I want Brennan really bad in this class. I just don't see how we could miss out on him once we hire our OC. He wants to be here so bad.
Another route we could go is DeAndre Johnson from JUCO. He just won player of the year. His tape looks awesome. Losing Brennan would still suck though.
Another route we could go is DeAndre Johnson from JUCO. He just won player of the year. His tape looks awesome. Losing Brennan would still suck though.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:39 pm to tduecen
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It is all Les Miles fault.... Everything in the world is his fault
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:59 pm to tduecen
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is all Les Miles fault.... Everything in the world is his fault
Dont you love how people wouldnt give miles credit for the 1st 3 years of his tenure yet Orgeron got credit when he wasnt running the offense or defense?
Sometimes you just have to laugh at the rant.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 12/13/16 at 12:57 am to Rickdaddy4188
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agreed but qb is a mist get for this year in case scott doesnt work out and i think Brennan can be a great player at lsu. Im not as high on narcisse because of injuries. IMO nothing worse than losing starting qb in cfb.
if scott gets a legit shot, he will workout.
Posted on 12/13/16 at 1:51 am to prepsportsallday
Can't put all the eggs in one basket, though. We need two QBs in this class since we only took one last year. That's the tough part about the mistakes that lead to our QB commit issues. Because they are different style QBs, I think it will be more difficult to get both of them now. Once we hire an OC (which looks to be Canada), the one who think he will fit that style the best will re-affirm, but I have a feeling that the other guy will move on. Still holding out hope, though.
It is awfully late to try to go get in on another guy.
It is awfully late to try to go get in on another guy.
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