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re: "Bates is average"
Posted on 7/26/09 at 3:37 pm to NC2007
Posted on 7/26/09 at 3:37 pm to NC2007
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It does not matter if they are white, wtf slow. That is just stupid...McCoy, Tebow and many other white boys that play college ball would disagree with you. These kids you all bash on here have 4-5 years to prove themselves. I do not understand how some of you bash these kids
i haven't bashed anyone
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Posted on 7/26/09 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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alem is our most explosive pass rusher since pittman in 2003
And Pittman and every other guy was a non factor rushing the passer for most of last year. We used to fawn over guys like Tremaine Johnson that maybe made one or two good plays in their entire career.
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Jamarcus
Laron
Dorsey
Black
Bowe
Clayton
Lafell
Tyson
Scott
Lafell and Scott aren't there yet, but likely will after this year. Laugh all you want, but I will take Kyle Williams' college career over Tyson Jackson's in a second. Every mediocre offensive line Williams faced, he dominated bc of that motor. Take a look at that Oregon State game again and it wasn't close who LSU's best player was. Again, that would have been nice to have against all the mediocre lines that handled us this year.
Part of that isn't Tyson's fault, he should have been rushing from the DT position on 3rd downs. But bc we lacked speed at DE, I guess they decided to keep him there. So a Bates type certainly could have helped us to allow that.
And again, laugh all you want, but I will take Steltz's Senior year over Laron's best year.
We're not talking NFL upside, we're talking college impact.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 3:48 pm to ColtsTigers
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And again, laugh all you want, but I will take Steltz's Senior year over Laron's best year.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
my bad...I just have read so much negative shite on some of these kids...Rock D has been bashed by others for no reason at all. To be a realist, we do not know how any of these kids will pan out...Some may do better than expected and some may do worse...We do not know...However, it is okay to have a discussion, but we must remember these kids did receive an offer from LSU...That in itself is pretty impressive and should say something about the individual and his talents...Time will tell...
Posted on 7/26/09 at 3:53 pm to offdacorner
Please tell me what Laron's best year was, and how many turnovers he caused that year? Sportscenter highlights aren't nearly as important as turnovers forced.
In Laron's Senior year for example, Reggie Nelson from Florida forced a heck of a lot more turnovers than Landry did, including one against LSU.
That same game against UF, Landry goes for a kill shot on a key 3rd down on a WR who makes the catch, doesn't wrap up on the tackle, and they get a big first down. Steltz would simply have wrapped up the WR and they wouldn't have gotten the first down. That's what he did all of the next year. People get too caught up in the Sportscenter highlights.
In Laron's Senior year for example, Reggie Nelson from Florida forced a heck of a lot more turnovers than Landry did, including one against LSU.
That same game against UF, Landry goes for a kill shot on a key 3rd down on a WR who makes the catch, doesn't wrap up on the tackle, and they get a big first down. Steltz would simply have wrapped up the WR and they wouldn't have gotten the first down. That's what he did all of the next year. People get too caught up in the Sportscenter highlights.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:00 pm to ColtsTigers
what about the UF game in 2007 when steltz COMPLETELY blew coverage allowing florida to walk into the endzone?
anb you're too caught up in picks against 2 of the worst QBs on BCS teams i've ever seen
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People get too caught up in the Sportscenter highlights.
anb you're too caught up in picks against 2 of the worst QBs on BCS teams i've ever seen
This post was edited on 7/26/09 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:05 pm to ColtsTigers
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People get too caught up in the Sportscenter highlights.
I could care less about highlights.
Laron Landry is the greatest free safety LSU has ever had.
You could see he was the truth in just his freshman year.
Matter of fact, he was 2nd team all SEC in his freshman year.
He had everyone--and I mean everyone afraid to catch a pass in our secondary.
No disrespect to Steltz, but he was nowhere in Laron Landry's league. That doesn't mean Steltz sucked--but I mean we're talking Laron Landry here.
If you would rather have Steltz patrolling your defensive backfield than Landry, then I just don't know what to tell you.
There's a reason Craig Steltz was backing Laron Landry up.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
I have no idea who blew the coverage on that play. It could have been the CB or LB, who knows.
I do know that Steltz had something like 16 tackles in the game. And I do know how good he was against Va Tech, Moo State, etc as well. And I do remember him having a great pass breakup on the last play of the Bama game. He had a great season.
And I do know that Hester's performance against Florida was probably the best performance from an LSU player this decade.
I do know that Steltz had something like 16 tackles in the game. And I do know how good he was against Va Tech, Moo State, etc as well. And I do remember him having a great pass breakup on the last play of the Bama game. He had a great season.
And I do know that Hester's performance against Florida was probably the best performance from an LSU player this decade.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:07 pm to offdacorner
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He had everyone--and I mean everyone afraid to catch a pass in our secondary.
I'm not saying he's better than him, and i realize he isn't close to as talented. But I never thought Landry changed games for LSU. Tell me what great passing teams did he exactly shut down by doing that? His Senior year, Florida, Tennessee games, etc; where was the impact?
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:09 pm to ColtsTigers
And no SFP, before anyone thinks it, I've never thought Flynn was close to as good as Russell. 
I realize that Flynn had plenty of shitty games his Senior year after he got hurt.
I realize that Flynn had plenty of shitty games his Senior year after he got hurt.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:11 pm to ColtsTigers
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And I do know that Hester's performance against Florida was probably the best performance from an LSU player this decade.
You do know that Justin Vincent rushed for 201 yards and two touchdowns against Georgia in the 2003 SEC Championship game, right?
Did Hester make you you forget that even happened?
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:12 pm to ColtsTigers
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And I do know that Hester's performance against Florida was probably the best performance from an LSU player this decade.
insanity
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:12 pm to ColtsTigers
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I never thought Landry changed games for LSU.
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His Senior year, Florida, Tennessee games, etc; where was the impact?
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:13 pm to ColtsTigers
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Tell me what great passing teams did he exactly shut down by doing that?
who the hell did steltz shut down?
moo state and VT? OOOOOOOH
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:14 pm to offdacorner
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You do know that Justin Vincent rushed for 201 yards and two touchdowns against Georgia in the 2003 SEC Championship game, right?
Did Hester make you you forget that even happened?
Sorry, since Vincent.
I'm getting a little nutty here. I should probably leave before long.
Still, it was one of the 5 best this decade easily IMO.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who the hell did steltz shut down?
moo state and VT? OOOOOOOH
Never said he shutdown anyone. He just didn't miss on kill shots like Landry did.
The point is, he was a damn good player. Are you going to disagree with that?
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:23 pm to ColtsTigers
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The point is, he was a damn good player. Are you going to disagree with that?
No one will argue that.
But to compare Steltz to Landry is lunacy.
Let me repeat--Laron Landry was the greatest free safety LSU ever had. He was the prototype football player and if you could clone a Collegiate free safety, his DNA would go into the test tube.
And let's not forget--when Steltz had to leave the NCG against Ohio St, Harry Colemen came in and we didn't miss a beat. In fact, the defense got stronger.
Does that make Harry Coleman a better free safety than Steltz? Of course not.
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:26 pm to offdacorner
He also never had more than 4 INTs in a season for LSU.
It looks like Landry only had one more career INT than Steltz and 6 pass defenses. Not as much as you'd think.
It looks like Landry only had one more career INT than Steltz and 6 pass defenses. Not as much as you'd think.
This post was edited on 7/26/09 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:27 pm to offdacorner
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He was the prototype football player and if you could clone a Collegiate free safety, his DNA would go into the test tube.
sean taylor, fwiw
Posted on 7/26/09 at 4:34 pm to ColtsTigers
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He also never had more than 4 INTs in a season for LSU.
It looks like Landry only had one more career INT than Steltz and 6 pass defenses. Not as much as you'd think.
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