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re: Scoring issue on yahoo with the Cincy DEF/ST
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:48 pm to tzimme4
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:48 pm to tzimme4
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Fumbling the ball the 2nd time and recovering during the play discounted the defensive TD. Recovering your own fumble made Yahoo score them as an offensive TD.
so had Franklin recovered the 2nd fumble and ran for a TD he shouldn't get credit because he was a defensive player? I find that incredibly hard to believe.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 12:49 pm
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Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:50 pm to geauxscott
I'm just telling you how Yahoo scored it. It's scored differently in fantasy then it is in the actual games. Dont take your frustration out on me.
And Franklin would get credited the TD individually that's it. Just like when Mechem striped the Washington defender after the Brees INT in 09. Only the individual is credited the TD after the ball changes possesion and is lost the second time.
And Franklin would get credited the TD individually that's it. Just like when Mechem striped the Washington defender after the Brees INT in 09. Only the individual is credited the TD after the ball changes possesion and is lost the second time.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:51 pm to gjackx
Per Yahoo...
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How the Bengals' fumble return touchdown is scored in Fantasy Football
In the Week 3 Packers-Bengals game, Cincinnati scored a touchdown on a fumble return. Here is how this play was scored in Yahoo Sports Fantasy Football:
Bengals DEF/ST
Once possession changes following an interception or fumble, the defensive team is considered to be on offense for the purposes of NFL statistical record-keeping.
As a result, when Terence Newman recovered teammate Reggie Nelson's fumble following Nelson's recovery of a Packers fumble, the Bengals no longer were on defense by NFL rule, but on offense.
When Newman returned his teammate's fumble for a touchdown, it was not recorded as a defensive touchdown, but as an offensive fumble return TD.
Offensive Fumble Return TD is an individual stat category in Yahoo Sports Fantasy Football. DEF/ST's are not eligible to receive points for this stat category.
If your league uses the Touchdown stat category for DEF/ST, the Bengals will not be credited for Newman's return touchdown.
If your league uses the Fumble Recovery stat category for DEF/ST, the Bengals will only be credited for Nelson's original fumble recovery.
Individual defensive players
Newman will not be credited with a fumble recovery, nor will he be credited for Turnover Return Yards. However, he will be credited with an offensive fumble return touchdown if your league uses this stat category.
Nelson will be credited with a fumble recovery, Turnover Return Yards to the point where he fumbled, and if your league uses the Fumbles stat category for offensive players, he also will be charged with a fumble.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:53 pm to tzimme4
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I'm just telling you how Yahoo scored it. It's scored differently in fantasy then it is in the actual games. Dont take your frustration out on mw
not frustrated.... just doesn't make sense at all. If thats how Yahoo scores that, then if GB would have recovered the 2nd fumble and ran for a TD, would GB's defense got the credit for a TD scored by an offensive player?
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:54 pm to DrunkHat
You're welcome...
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:55 pm to geauxscott
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not frustrated.... just doesn't make sense at all. If thats how Yahoo scores that, then if GB would have recovered the 2nd fumble and ran for a TD, would GB's defense got the credit for a TD scored by an offensive player?
Boom.
If yahoo doesn't correct this I will be moving all of my leagues to ESPN and will never use yahoo again.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:57 pm to DrunkHat
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Once possession changes following an interception or fumble, the defensive team is considered to be on offense for the purposes of NFL statistical record-keeping.
thats just crazy..... if a defense becomes offense once they gain possession then how does a defense ever score a TD???
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 12:59 pm to Drew Orleans
I just said that whichever Green Bay player would have recovered it would be only credited to that player only. Just like the TD was only credited to Newman.
The defense scores after taking it away and not losing the ball themselves. Laterals don't count as losing possesion.
The defense scores after taking it away and not losing the ball themselves. Laterals don't count as losing possesion.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 1:03 pm to tzimme4
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I just said that whichever Green Bay player would have recovered it would be only credited to that player only. Just like the TD was only credited to Newman.
you can't tell me you don't see the other side of this from a fantasy perspective... Newman is on the defense, the defense scored, therefore they should get credit. If this is the case then by Yahoo's rules, there should never be a defensive TD since the "defense becomes offense after the ball is turned over"
not disagreeing with you tzimm, just disagreeing with how Yahoo scores this.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 2:12 pm to Drew Orleans
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If yahoo doesn't correct this I will be moving all of my leagues to ESPN and will never use yahoo again.
ESPN and NFL.com both have it credited to the Cincy Defense. I'm sure others have as well.
The explanation makes ZERO sense because it is still the SAME PLAY! How can they be anything BUT the DEFENSE when they started the same play as the defense!
Reggie Nelson and Newman both play defense...this is so dumb!
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 2:15 pm to DrunkHat
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Once possession changes following an interception or fumble, the defensive team is considered to be on offense for the purposes of NFL statistical record-keeping.
This totally works against their point...and this undoes their entire argument.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 2:21 pm to gjackx
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ESPN and NFL.com both have it credited to the Cincy Defense. I'm sure others have as well.
They have up until Thursday to change that. Stat corrections come out Wednesday I think.
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Reggie Nelson and Newman both play defense.
Their point is, Newman didn't recover a fumble while making a defensive play. Nelson made a defensive play and if he would have scored it would have been counted as a defensive TD.
You cant make a defensive play by recovering a fumble against you're own team. Anybody who recovers a fumble from their own team is making a offensive play.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 2:24 pm to gjackx
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Once possession changes following an interception or fumble, the defensive team is considered to be on offense for the purposes of NFL statistical record-keeping.
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This totally works against their point...and this undoes their entire argument.
exactly, by their rules there is never a defensive TD because they become the offense once gaining possession.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 2:37 pm to geauxscott
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exactly, by their rules there is never a defensive TD because they become the offense once gaining possession.
DING DING DING!
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:16 pm to tzimme4
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Their point is, Newman didn't recover a fumble while making a defensive play. Nelson made a defensive play and if he would have scored it would have been counted as a defensive TD.
not according Yahoo's rules....
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Once possession changes following an interception or fumble, the defensive team is considered to be on offense for the purposes of NFL statistical record-keeping.
either way though, the ruling is stupid as it pertains to fantasy. If the defense scores, the unit should get credit. Glad I use ESPN!!
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:22 pm to tzimme4
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They have up until Thursday to change that. Stat corrections come out Wednesday I think.
ESPN already has some stat corrections out, and this is not one of them. Cincy still has credit for TD (as it should be).
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:27 pm to geauxscott
As long as the defensive player doesn't lose the ball after making an interception or fumble recovery it will ALWAYS be ruled a defensive TD.
The problem that yall still don't understand is that the defender (Nelson) lost the ball. Everyone on defense can not make a defensive play on the ball because the possession of ball was already in Cincinnati's possession. Making the 2nd fumble recovery a offensive recovery. Newman receives 6 points on IDP leagues since he scored individually, that's it.
The problem that yall still don't understand is that the defender (Nelson) lost the ball. Everyone on defense can not make a defensive play on the ball because the possession of ball was already in Cincinnati's possession. Making the 2nd fumble recovery a offensive recovery. Newman receives 6 points on IDP leagues since he scored individually, that's it.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:30 pm to tzimme4
It's still the same play...
Do you think the coack screamed, "Great play offense!" after they came off the field?
Do you think the coack screamed, "Great play offense!" after they came off the field?
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:30 pm to geauxscott
ESPN will post all stat corrections once they are ruled by NFL officials on Wednesday. Nothing in fantasy is final until Thursday after NFL officials post their corrections.
As last week with CJ Spiller and Michael Vick, I'm sure people logged on Wednesday/Thursday and found out they lost.
As last week with CJ Spiller and Michael Vick, I'm sure people logged on Wednesday/Thursday and found out they lost.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:31 pm to tzimme4
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As long as the defensive player doesn't lose the ball after making an interception or fumble recovery it will ALWAYS be ruled a defensive TD.
The problem that yall still don't understand is that the defender (Nelson) lost the ball. Everyone on defense can not make a defensive play on the ball because the possession of ball was already in Cincinnati's possession. Making the 2nd fumble recovery a offensive recovery. Newman receives 6 points on IDP leagues since he scored individually, that's it.
I understand what you are saying, just don't think it should matter from a fantasy standpoint. We draft "units" therefore if your defense is on the field at the start of the play and they score a TD then your team should get credit for the score. In non-IDP leagues it should go the the defensive unit. It shouldn't be any more complicated than that. No one could argue the other way.
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