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“I’ll tell you, if I gave up three runs in six innings I was hacked off,” snorted the 62-year-old Hall of Fame pitcher and Texas Rangers club president last night. “What’s the quality in that? You deserved to lose. I wasn’t very happy and I can tell you the manager and the general manager weren’t very happy either.”

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Posted by cwill

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Posted on 4/14/11 at 5:03 pm to mla0003

Nolan must have been a very unhappy dude.

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Posted by OBUDan

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Posted on 4/14/11 at 6:41 pm to Honkus

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How so? 3ER or less & 6IP, think its a pretty accurate assessment of a pitchers performance.

Maybe, but it doesn't account for defense... balls that should be recorded as outs that end up as hits due to poor fielding etc.

I just don't understand why some dude 25 years ago said "hey this is a quality start" and everyone thought it was a brilliant idea.

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Posted by Honkus

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Posted on 4/14/11 at 7:26 pm to OBUDan

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Maybe, but it doesn't account for defense... balls that should be recorded as outs that end up as hits due to poor fielding etc.

How often does this really happen tho? Pop-ups that nobody touches and "can't assume" double plays. not very often IMO. Not to mentions runs that score bc of a pitchers error are still unearned (that always bugged me)

using your logic ERA is no good either

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why some dude 25 years ago said "this is a quality start"

somewhat agree here, 6/3 is pretty arbitrary, but it's better than Wins as a way to determine a pitchers performance, which is all we should worry about from a fantasy perspective.

But I agree, as a baseball stat it's complete horseshite

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Posted by OBUDan

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Posted on 4/14/11 at 9:31 pm to Honkus

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using your logic ERA is no good either

It's not.

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How often does this really happen tho? Pop-ups that nobody touches and "can't assume" double plays. not very often IMO. Not to mentions runs that score bc of a pitchers error are still unearned (that always bugged me)

I'm not talking about crazy plays like that.

I'm talking like you have two Shortstops:

Ozzie Smith and Hanley Ramirez. There will be tons of balls Ozzie gets to that Hanley doesn't. Those turn into outs.

So let's say there's two outs, a guy on third and a guy hits a grounder between short and 3B. It gets by Hanley, a run scores. Ozzie gets it and throws the guy out at 1st, no run scores.

Happens all the time.

But then you get into all type of sabremetrics stuff