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Speculating on Amazon's LOTR series...
Posted on 10/13/21 at 12:04 am
Posted on 10/13/21 at 12:04 am
I don't want this to devolve into the potential woke/SJW criticisms, thank you very much 
That said, I'm curious how they're planning on pulling this off as a series. I understand it is set in the Second Age. I also understand that the Tolkien Estate is pushing hard to maintain canon, so they don't go off the rails. That's fine, there's a lot of room to fill things in...
but there's the issue of time. As in, the Second Age is a few thousand years long, and a lot of major events have centuries between occurances. This works fine with Elves (and Sauron) who are immortal, but then you overlay Numenor, which is ruled by Men. And although they had relatively long life, there were 25 rulers of Numenor going from the first (Elros, Elrond's brother) to the last.
So, do you try to keep it relatively accurate to the books, focus on the Elves, and have occasional "guest stars" as relevant Men? Or do you condense it down to cast recurrent Numenoreans?
I'd think you lose a lot of the sense of scale and grandeur if you condense it. But I could also see how it would get confusing to the viewer, if you don't properly address the passage of time (and that's if you focus on the Elves). And again, there ARE relevant interesting Men, whose tales you have to shove within a single episode... or you go herky-jerky with the pace. One episode is 500 years, then you get 4 years covering 3 episode, etc.
How do you think they're going to do this?
That said, I'm curious how they're planning on pulling this off as a series. I understand it is set in the Second Age. I also understand that the Tolkien Estate is pushing hard to maintain canon, so they don't go off the rails. That's fine, there's a lot of room to fill things in...
but there's the issue of time. As in, the Second Age is a few thousand years long, and a lot of major events have centuries between occurances. This works fine with Elves (and Sauron) who are immortal, but then you overlay Numenor, which is ruled by Men. And although they had relatively long life, there were 25 rulers of Numenor going from the first (Elros, Elrond's brother) to the last.
So, do you try to keep it relatively accurate to the books, focus on the Elves, and have occasional "guest stars" as relevant Men? Or do you condense it down to cast recurrent Numenoreans?
I'd think you lose a lot of the sense of scale and grandeur if you condense it. But I could also see how it would get confusing to the viewer, if you don't properly address the passage of time (and that's if you focus on the Elves). And again, there ARE relevant interesting Men, whose tales you have to shove within a single episode... or you go herky-jerky with the pace. One episode is 500 years, then you get 4 years covering 3 episode, etc.
How do you think they're going to do this?
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 12:09 am to Scoob
I don’t know, but I am eagerly awaiting this series.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 12:14 am to Scoob
At this point, I just want a smaller animation company to strike a deal with the Tolkien estate and just do The Silmarillion (or at least parts of it) right. I have no faith in any major studio to faithfully pull off anything anymore, let alone a live action property.
Too bad Christopher Tolkein is no longer around. He could have started a studio himself. Silmarillion is essentially the Old Testament of fantasy literature.
Too bad Christopher Tolkein is no longer around. He could have started a studio himself. Silmarillion is essentially the Old Testament of fantasy literature.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 4:06 am to Scoob
I think the series is just going to focus on the rise of Sauron, the forging of the rings, and the War of the Ring. While doing that it will also be exploring the mythology and history surrounding the Numenorians.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:18 am to Scoob
I just want it to be good. I don't care if it is super accurate or not.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:56 am to Scoob
The story arc of Ar-Pharazon would be best in my humble opionion from his "capture" of Sauron, the rise of the faithful and eventually his assault on the Undying Lands and the Fall of Numenor would be freaking epic.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:08 pm to Tackle74
quote:And this is how the time portion could get weird...
The story arc of Ar-Pharazon would be best in my humble opionion from his "capture" of Sauron, the rise of the faithful and eventually his assault on the Undying Lands and the Fall of Numenor would be freaking epic.
I'd hope to see perhaps an entire season on just this storyline. Like, the climax of the previous season would be the surrender of Sauron to Ar-Pharazon, and you spend the entire next season with Sauron in Numenor, final episode being the Fall.
Nerd of the Rings speculates that despite there being a huge cast, Elrond may be the primary character- his arc carries him across most of the major elements in Middle Earth. I could see that, along with Sauron as the other primary storyline, and then Galadriel's. If you follow those three, I think the others will come and go.
Elrond and Galadriel start in Lindon, while Elrond's brother founds Numenor.
Galadriel and Celeborn leave Lindon (first going to the general location of the Shire- maybe that's why it's so nice?), around the same time Sauron (as Annatar) shows up as a mysterious wanderer at the gates of Lindon; Cirdan and Gil-Galad don't trust him and turn him away.
Galadriel and Celeborn go to Eregion with Celebrimbor, outside the Gates of Moria. They don't turn Sauron away, instead welcome him and they eventually forge the Rings of Power.
Sauron makes the One Ring in Mordor, and wages war on Eregion. Gil-galad sends Elrond with an army to Eregion to help. Eregion falls, Celebrimbor dies. The Dwarves of Moria send an army to help Elrond escape (this might be what causes the Balrog to come there, Sauron might be pissed about things). Elrond goes North and founds Rivendell with the survivors. Galadriel goes over the mountains to Lorien. Combined with Numenor sending armies, they push Sauron back to Moria.
I could see this being the basis of several seasons; they say 5 total seasons so that above covers maybe 3.
In the books, there's another stretch where Sauron builds back up, and looks like he will overrun all of Middle Earth, and that's when Numenor (with Ar Pharazon) comes in full force and takes him captive.
I don't know if you play that out, or you combine the first defeat of Sauron with the one where he is taken. Better story if you keep them separate, but also longer story.
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