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And in that scenario we will be gutted and Simmons’ elite defense is squandered because you are putting him in the one position he does not do well in.

Where is the data that says he doesn't do well in that position?
I don't know, i'm legit asking as i haven't looked it up.

No i wouldn't want him playing the 5 against Jokic, or Embiid. Zion needs to step the frick up too. His big arse needs to be guarding some of these big arse non offensive 5's like Gobert. All you have to do with them is block them out, and Zion should be the best block out defender in the league with his huge arse.
While i think Simmons would have trouble with Jokic and Embiid, wouldn't you love to run a pick and roll with Zion and Simmons and have Jokic have to defend it? He's not going to step up, so as long as the screener can set a good screen and keep that defender behind him as he rolls, Jokic has to decide how to stop the freight train coming at him or defend the alley oop, unless help comes and that's what BI/Trey/another 3P shooter are in the game for, and on top of that, Zion doesn't give a frick about 6' guards sliding over into the paint to help on him.

I get what you are saying about Simmons defense being wasted at the 5 though, and it's a good point. Maybe having a 5 like Myles Turner that can hit open 3's would work offensively, and allow Simmons to defend the perimeter.

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Posted by Bronc

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Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:38 pm to TeddyPadillac

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No i wouldn't want him playing the 5 against Jokic, or Embiid. Zion needs to step the frick up too. His big arse needs to be guarding some of these big arse non offensive 5's like Gobert. All you have to do with them is block them out, and Zion should be the best block out defender in the league with his huge arse.

So arent we basically saying that Simmons and Zion do not optimally compliment each other well defensively...And they are less than ideal together offensively as well.

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wouldn't you love to run a pick and roll with Zion and Simmons and have Jokic have to defend it? He's not going to step up, so as long as the screener can set a good screen and keep that defender behind him as he rolls

Why would he need to step up??

Neither Zion or Simmons is a threat to hit a jumper. It's literally a gift for guys like Jokic/Adams/Gobert/Howard/Embiid. You can stay home all day and just focus on contesting at the rim and clogging lanes for alley-oops. I mean we saw this last year, Adams can set you a nice screen but teams just build walls and then dare us to shoot. You need someone in the PnR that has the ability to do more than just drive and score around the rim against better teams.

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I get what you are saying about Simmons defense being wasted at the 5 though, and it's a good point. Maybe having a 5 like Myles Turner that can hit open 3's would work offensively, and allow Simmons to defend the perimeter.

You would need someone like Kat for this to even be a possibility, and even than it's not ideal.

Thats the catch 22 I spoke about initially. Put Simmons at the 5 and it's not playing to either Zion or Simmons strengths. Keep a center in and now you have 2 non-shooters that occupy the same space and both require the ball to be effective offensively. Which also isn't playing to both's strengths.

Both players really need the same thing, and neither of those things features the other: Lots of spacing, rim protection, secondary playmakers that can play on and off the ball. 4 other guys that can hit threes reliably, a couple of them that can play-make and be three level guys.

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