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Posted on 8/30/21 at 5:49 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72802 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 5:49 pm
Background- this liberal is actually a board certified physician (dvm) and uses ivermectin daily...

"Can you believe people are actually using this to treat covid?"

"You know why, right?"

"Because some crazy person on Facebook told them to"

"No, the NIH published a study out of India showing efficacy "

"Oh Im sure there's studies that say anything "

"But this is peer reviewed and published by NIH"

"Yeah right"

"Here's the link. 3rd result on google "

"I'm not reading that"


This is what we're dealing with folks.
Posted by cajuntiger1010
Member since Jan 2015
13674 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 5:50 pm to
I lost lots of respect for some medical professionals concerning covid.
Posted by Vastmind
B Ara
Member since Sep 2013
5322 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 5:51 pm to
Ivermectin is the Devil in the branch Covidian religion
Posted by UTMaverick
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2021
578 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 5:52 pm to
About half the doctors I work with are Covid hysterics. The other half thinks they're drama queens.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45448 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 5:56 pm to
This is why you don't use the appeal to (unqualified) authority fallacy. Just because someone with credentials says something doesn't mean it's true. It also doesn't mean that someone who is an expert in a related field or discipline is an expert on the particular issue at hand. It also doesn't mean that they are telling the truth. It's why these sorts of claims need to be verified.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72802 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 5:56 pm to
I think the takeaway is that you can drop the proof right in front of them, from their own source of authority, but the brainwashing has already taken over. I used to call it being in a bubble, but it has escalated to flat-out brainwashing at this point.

ETA- the issue isn't whether or not ivermectin is effective, the issue is that there are people who believe it is effective and it's not because they are inbred morons... it's because actual global health authority says it is.

It's the "Im not reading that" part of the exchange that is the takeaway.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 6:03 pm
Posted by washparkhorn
Member since Jul 2021
94 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:00 pm to
quote:

"Here's the link. 3rd result on google "


Do you mind sharing the link to the study?

Thanks!
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72802 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:01 pm to
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

I lost lots of respect for some medical professionals concerning covid


I spent like 3-4 years going through pretty serious medical stuff. The younger doctors are the absolute worst, especially in hospitals. You can tell they don’t really like their jobs. They got into it for the money and status. They treat people like they are a nuisance. There are a lot of bad doctors out there
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 6:05 pm
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:06 pm to
As a doctor, he should at least look into it. Most doctors just do the bare minimum
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28155 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:07 pm to
I tested positive today and doctor prescribed it without asking or making a big deal.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72802 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:07 pm to
quote:

There are alot of bad doctors out there






Posted by washparkhorn
Member since Jul 2021
94 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 6:07 pm to
Thank you. That is a helpful study, but note the caveats. I appreciate the link.

quote:

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by the novel severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), has become a global pandemic of the highest priority (Johns Hopkins University of Medicine, 2020). Eighty-one percent of cases are categorized as mild, for whom symptomatic management at home and monitoring of clinical deterioration is recommended (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2020). Despite providing symptomatic management, a therapeutic drug that would limit the course of infection is greatly needed.

Ivermectin, a popular anti-parasitic drug, acts on SARS-CoV-2 by preventing viral proteins from entering the host cell nucleus (Caly et al., 2020). Recent virtual drug screening identified doxycycline as a potential inhibitor of SARS-CoV-2 papain-like protease (Wu et al., 2020). An observational study in which patients were treated with a single-dose of ivermectin and multiple doses of doxycycline for the treatment of COVID-19 yielded considerable improvements in symptoms and the viral response (Alam et al., 2020). A recent retrospective study found that hospitalized patients given ivermectin with other treatments (e.g., azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine) had a lower mortality than those who did not receive ivermectin (Rajter et al., 2020).

Further studies are needed to verify these findings. This need is further underscored by the observation that SARS-CoV-2 multiplies rapidly in the respiratory tract and that evidence from animal models shows three-fold higher levels of ivermectin in pulmonary tissue than in the plasma at 1 week after oral dosing (Chiu and Lu, 1989; Lespine et al., 2005).

This pilot study was performed to evaluate the rapidity of viral clearance and safety of a 5-day course of ivermectin or a single-dose of ivermectin + a 5-day course of doxycycline in the treatment of mild COVID-19 in adults.


Looks like a good scientific investigation to me. The veterinarian should have read the study.
Posted by Jizzy08
Member since Aug 2008
12164 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:09 pm to
I just read the study you posted the link to. There are a few things I see that are important to me as a clinician.

#1 the number of people included in the study is pretty low. 72 of a potential 113 is not very many in the grand scheme.

#2 They did not include people with serious health conditions, which is important as these are the people that are at most risk for serious illness

#3 The primary outcome is viral clearance and remission of fever. To a clinician, we don’t care about either of these two. A primary endpoint of mortality needs to be the focus for hospitals and doctors to start recommending it.

I’m as conservative as they come on this board but based on this study alone, I would not recommend ivermectin.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:14 pm to
Your friend sounds like a terrible...

quote:

(dvm)


Oh.
Posted by JayWhite
Member since Nov 2020
1008 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

I’m as conservative as they come on this board but based on this study alone, I would not recommend ivermectin.


Nor should you, particularly with the numerous studies that directly contradict this one.
Posted by TeeRoy
Member since Nov 2018
310 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:17 pm to
There are a handful of MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS and the rest are just lazy procedure followers!!!!
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
32254 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:17 pm to

Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
36882 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

board certified physician (dvm)
Where I quit reading.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 8/30/21 at 7:23 pm to
"As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore" - Yuri Bezmenov
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