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re: This is CSP biggest year as a head coach
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:02 am to VictoryHill
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:02 am to VictoryHill
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You're not winning the Super Bowl with Jameis fricking Winston.
Could have said the same thing about Drew Brees in 2006.
Rodgers has played 16 seasons and has one more Super Bowl ring than Winston. No question of Rodgers greatness, but in the context of the question if Payton coaches Winston up to a very productive season it is just as likely Winston takes them to a Super Bowl as Rodgers within the next few seasons. Winston continues to show maturity and development and has tons of talent.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:12 am to tigersbb
Drew Brees was a Pro Bowler in 2004 and showed great progress from the time he entered the league until he became a Saint.
Jameis Winston is the same player that was drafted. No progress.
That's the difference, so no, you couldn't say the same thing about Brees. Brees was super efficient with two ~65% completion percentages in 2004 and 2005, and a TD/INT ratio of 51/22 over those 2 years, in stark contrast to his first 3 years in the league.
Winston, it could be argued, has decision-making ability that has gotten progressively worse. I keep seeing people laud his "maturity" and "development" when literally none of these things have played out for anyone to make a positive judgement on. Your expectations are not reality until proven such. Guy is the biggest cornball in the league and the most easily made-fun-of. No one takes him seriously.
Winston has never even been to, or won a playoff game as a starter. Rodgers is in the playoffs as a highly seeded team every other year it seems like. I don't want to talk about "Winston" and "Super Bowl" until he sniffs the post-season. Guy is who he has been for 5 years in Tampa until proven otherwise.
Jameis Winston is the same player that was drafted. No progress.
That's the difference, so no, you couldn't say the same thing about Brees. Brees was super efficient with two ~65% completion percentages in 2004 and 2005, and a TD/INT ratio of 51/22 over those 2 years, in stark contrast to his first 3 years in the league.
Winston, it could be argued, has decision-making ability that has gotten progressively worse. I keep seeing people laud his "maturity" and "development" when literally none of these things have played out for anyone to make a positive judgement on. Your expectations are not reality until proven such. Guy is the biggest cornball in the league and the most easily made-fun-of. No one takes him seriously.
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if Payton coaches Winston up to a very productive season it is just as likely Winston takes them to a Super Bowl as Rodgers within the next few seasons
Winston has never even been to, or won a playoff game as a starter. Rodgers is in the playoffs as a highly seeded team every other year it seems like. I don't want to talk about "Winston" and "Super Bowl" until he sniffs the post-season. Guy is who he has been for 5 years in Tampa until proven otherwise.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 1:31 am
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