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All of this is so dumb. You really think that Griffin drafted Hayes with the expectation that he would take a redshirt year, and then Hayes would significantly exceed expectations in his first season ... and then Griffin would dump him for a guy who has been in the league for five seasons now and is maybe at the level of an average starter?

Level of an average starter? You don’t watch much basketball.

Moss, has already responded soundly to your illogical post...so I don’t have to cover the same bases he did. So I’ll address your dumbass statements.

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You are worried about fit, and that's not what we are doing right now.

Yeah, that’s exactly what we’re doing.
Finding the best pieces to fit around a dynamic wing scorer and a generational post player.

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and then Griffin would dump him for a guy who has been in the league for five seasons now and is maybe at the level of an average starter?

Back to this. Is Griffins job not to evaluate assets and sell high?

Since Hayes is such a “great“ offensive player given that offensive rating that is by no means skewed by the spoon fed buckets he receives, isn’t it better to sell high on a guy who can’t read an offense now then when there is more tape on him?

Do you want to possessions to logjam because Hayes is of no use hanging out at the elbows and high post while Zion seals off his man, needing spacing to be successful?

Hayes is redundant. Turner isn’t, fits
on the timeline and still has room to grow at 23. His contract is only 3 years and he’ll be with a top 3 shooting coach in the league.

Look at the West- Davis, Gobert, Jokic, KP, Ayton, Harrell/Zubac, LaMarcus(who killed us this year), Nurkic, etc.

We’re are getting roasted if Hayes is our starter in every matchup. Turner neutralizes some of those guys and has more of an advantage over a few more.

If Hayes is starting, we have the worst starting center in the NBA and the defensive woes continue.

That’s not an insult, that’s just a fact of life.

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Posted by GOP_Tiger

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Posted on 8/26/20 at 7:38 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat

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Level of an average starter? You don’t watch much basketball.

I was too kind. I should have said that he's a below-average starter.

What in the world is your basis for concluding that he's better than average? VORP? He's the #28 center among those with enough minutes to qualify. RAPTOR? Oh, there he's #36 among centers, although that is with counting some PF-C guys who really play PF. How about Real Plus Minus? Now he places #23.

But I guess all of those stats are meaningless, because he spends a lot of his time out of position, amirite? Well, according to Cleaning the Glass, the Pacers finished at a negative 3.4 points per 100 possessions when Turner was on the floor without Sabonis.

How good of a rebounder was he in those lineups? Terrible. Cleaning the Glass says that lineups with Turner at center and no Sabonis on the floor finished in the 2nd percentile for OREBS and in the 11th percentile on DREBs.

But you say that he's better than an average starter? And the reason for that is that you watch basketball? Uh-huh.

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