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re: The debate about universal life insurance

Posted on 8/10/20 at 8:28 pm to
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/10/20 at 8:28 pm to
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and the ability to access that cash value tax free is relatively more attractive high net worth individuals


I opened my cash value UL for this purpose.

I still think market returns (even with taxes) are better than current growth from UL. Isnt the current scenario looking 30 years into the future? Why avoid the most aggressive growth option? I know that taxes suck. But I'd rather maximize my growth and deal with the taxes than put a hard cap on my return with a 30 year timetable.
Posted by PropofoLSU
Irwin, Idaho
Member since Aug 2013
543 posts
Posted on 8/10/20 at 10:12 pm to
It’s fixed index funds. Never can lose meaning a loss is 0% for the year but Caps at 12% on a big year. It guarantees about 6% on average. I’ll have more details Wednesday. I’ve printed out the cash calculators to compare. Thanks for the advice guys.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 10:14 pm
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 8/10/20 at 10:21 pm to
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But I'd rather maximize my growth and deal with the taxes than put a hard cap on my return with a 30 year timetable


It is a psychological factor, and there is no set amount, but there seems to be a level of net worth that once you reach it you become more interested in preserving your wealth than future returns. But I agree, investing in the market long term rather than insurance would usually be the best way to build wealth.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 10:25 pm
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 8/10/20 at 10:22 pm to
There are ways to leverage the whole life policy and other investment options that involve setting up a trust. GRATs and some other lending strategies to leverage trust assets. It is out of my league of knowledge, but I was reading something a couple months ago. I'll see if I can find the article.
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