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re: Wimbledon Final Shows Why Men Deserve To Be Paid More
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:39 pm to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:39 pm to TotesMcGotes
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The best of 5 part, sure.
But the argument that the women shouldn’t be paid as much because their final sucked is weak at best. The men have plenty of awful finals.
I never argued that women shouldn't be paid the same as men because their final sucked. I argued that women shouldn't be paid the same as men because women are on the court a lot less over the course of a tournament than the men are.
Let's say on average a men's match in a Major lasts an hour more than a women's match in a Major. Over the whole tournament, over 7 matches, that is at least 7 hours more that the Men are on the court over the Women.
Again, the Women's Final didn't even take an hour. The Men's Final took over 5 hours! And yet they are going to get paid the same, how is that even remotely fair? If you're Wimbledon how do you even justify that?
This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 1:42 pm
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Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:42 pm to surftiger321
So you’re saying that, if the women’s final lasts longer than the men’s final, they should be paid more? How are we measuring this? By sets or time on court? What if the women play more points in three sets than the men do in 5? Should they be paid more for that?
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:44 pm to TotesMcGotes
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So you’re saying that, if the women’s final lasts longer than the men’s final, they should be paid more? How are we measuring this? By sets or time on court? What if the women play more points in three sets than the men do in 5? Should they be paid more for that?
In the very least start at making the Women play best 3 of 5. Can we at least agree to that?
If we really wanted to get technical yes I would be okay with the women getting paid more than the men if their match technically goes longer. As long as you're okay with the opposite and the fact that the majority of men's matches will be longer than the women's matches and therefore the men will get paid more. Are you okay with that?
This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:45 pm to surftiger321
What if the women play longer than the men, but the men play more points than the women? Then who gets paid more?
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:47 pm to surftiger321
It is all about butts in the seats.
same number of butts/ratings on TV same money, if not then forcing it to be equal is BS
Dudes can probably make more in endorsements, prize money is only a piece of it.
Well, 3 dudes can, don't know that anybody cares about any of the others.
same number of butts/ratings on TV same money, if not then forcing it to be equal is BS
Dudes can probably make more in endorsements, prize money is only a piece of it.
Well, 3 dudes can, don't know that anybody cares about any of the others.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:48 pm to TotesMcGotes
I don't care about points, points can vary in length. You are trying to get us off track and I'm not going to allow you to do that.
In the very least start by making the Women play best 3 out of 5. They play best 3 out of 5 I'm okay with the Women making the same as the Men.
Long term I think pay should be done by time and there should be a certain amount per hour per round that the players get paid. So yes if a women's match goes longer than a men's match (which would be possible if the Women go best 3 out of 5) the women would get paid more. Same in reverse if the men's match goes longer the men get paid more. Men who play a 5 set match are going to get paid more than Men who play a 3 set match. Is it really that hard to understand?
Why are you so against women playing best 3 out of 5 and making them truly earn that equal pay?
In the very least start by making the Women play best 3 out of 5. They play best 3 out of 5 I'm okay with the Women making the same as the Men.
Long term I think pay should be done by time and there should be a certain amount per hour per round that the players get paid. So yes if a women's match goes longer than a men's match (which would be possible if the Women go best 3 out of 5) the women would get paid more. Same in reverse if the men's match goes longer the men get paid more. Men who play a 5 set match are going to get paid more than Men who play a 3 set match. Is it really that hard to understand?
Why are you so against women playing best 3 out of 5 and making them truly earn that equal pay?
This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:49 pm to surftiger321
quote:Not enough people think it’s important to pay men more, so it doesn’t happen.
there is no legitimate argument against this
There’s the legitimate argument. The people who push this issue are usually the “two to three inches” types.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:51 pm to xiv
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Not enough people think it’s important to pay men more, so it doesn’t happen.
There’s the legitimate argument. The people who push this issue are usually the “two to three inches” types.
Wrong, TV ratings for Men's Finals almost always dwarf TV ratings for Women's Finals. Watch, when the ratings come out for this weekend the Men's Finals will have at least double the TV ratings as the Women's Finals. That's where the money comes from.
I agree it won't change which p*sses me off. I would like to see the Men's Tennis players boycott majors until the women are forced to go 3 out of 5 like the men to truly earn that equal pay.
It's not a legitimate argument though, especially from the perspective of fairness and equality, and I'm still 100% right on the issue.
This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:52 pm to surftiger321
lol you’re saying if the men play longer they should be paid more. But how do you define that, simply time on court?
Rafa is going to make the men millions just by picking his wedgie every match.
Rafa is going to make the men millions just by picking his wedgie every match.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:53 pm to surftiger321
Yep. Two to three inches.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:53 pm to Broski
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I agree that the woman should have to play 5 sets
jesus, you want to see MORE,LONGER tennis. wow, I wish men's tennis was limited to "first to 1". but, hey some people like watching sweaty hairy men on tv
more power to you!!! Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:53 pm to surftiger321
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Long term I think pay should be done by time and there should be a certain amount per hour per round that the players get paid.
lol no
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:55 pm to TotesMcGotes
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lol you’re saying if the men play longer they should be paid more. But how do you define that, simply time on court?
Rafa is going to make the men millions just by picking his wedgie every match.
Yes time on court. I know you might not be that smart but it's not a hard concept to grasp. Again pay the player a certain amount per round per hour. Each round the per hour payment gets higher and longer matches will get paid more than quicker matches. This could also make tennis players play harder as they might not be as inclined to just throw the rest of the match if they are down 2 sets (which I've seen happen).
And there's these things called rules as well. You know, rules that could be enforced to prevent what say could happen?
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:56 pm to Derrick From Texas
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jesus, you want to see MORE,LONGER tennis. wow, I wish men's tennis was limited to "first to 1". but, hey some people like watching sweaty hairy men on tv more power to you!!!
Why are so against women having to truly earn the equal pay? Why should they get paid the same for less work?
Why do you want to see players hit each constantly in a futile attempt to get a ball to a certain part of the field? Just as many sweaty hairy men on tv there as well.
Some of us actually like watching tennis.
This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:58 pm to surftiger321
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But how can you justify the women getting paid equal as the men in majors when women are playing 2 out of 3 and men are playing 3 out of 5? How do you justify that?
Why do you care? It’s not your money.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:58 pm to surftiger321
Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:59 pm to surftiger321
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pay the player a certain amount per round per hour. Each round the per hour payment gets higher and longer matches will get paid more than quicker matches.
This is such a dumb argument. The players would laugh their way to a new ATP/WTA.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:59 pm to sorantable
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Why do you care? It’s not your money.
Because it's not freaking fair to the men that women can go out there and barely play an hour and get the same pay. Why are you against women EARNING that equal pay?
Why should the women get paid the same for LESS work?
Posted on 7/14/19 at 2:01 pm to TotesMcGotes
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This is such a dumb argument. The players would laugh their way to a new ATP/WTA.
Actually I think men will quietly appreciate being paid appropriately for the work they do on the court.
The Men's players sadly can't come out and say it because the feminazis will be all over them and the stupid ATP would probably try to kick them off the tour. But make no doubt about it I'm sure there are plenty of Men on the ATP tour who dislike the fact that the women get paid the same for LESS work.
This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/14/19 at 2:02 pm to TotesMcGotes
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This is such a dumb argument. The players would laugh their way to a new ATP/WTA.
And again Totes, you keep evading my question. Why are you so against women earning their equal pay? Why are you so against, in the very least, women going to best 3 out of 5 in the majors?
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