I'm not talking about a consensus in the sense of the masses (ad populum). I'm talking about a consensus among some sort of expert or authority, be it a scientific, philosophical, or religious one.

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i have cited the relevant verses

The verses that not all Christian faiths even agree upon

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doctors and biologists are doing so from an empirical standpoint, not a metaphysical standpoint. let me guess, you "only believe science" or some dumb equivalent

No, I am considering the entire spectrum of knowledge.

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Posted by ShortyRob

Member since Oct 2008

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Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:04 pm to cahoots

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I'm not talking about a consensus in the sense of the masses (ad populum). I'm talking about a consensus among some sort of expert or authority, be it a scientific, philosophical, or religious one.

I used logic to arrive at the conclusion.

You and I would both agree that the day it pops out, it's a baby that shouldn't be killed. For me, from that point, it's a very simple exercise.

I simply ask a series of questions.

10 minutes before it popped out, was it effectively the same being?

10 hours?

10 days?

10 days and an hour?

and 2?

And 3? etc.

I fully recognize that as I work back, it gets less and less obvious. What I, and no other human can do is tell anyone the magical moment it shifted from "not OK to kill" to "ok to kill".

Once I recognized that reality, I was no longer pro-choice. And, I used to be VERY pro-choice

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Posted by bfniii

Member since Nov 2005

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Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:55 pm to cahoots

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I'm not talking about a consensus in the sense of the masses (ad populum). I'm talking about a consensus among some sort of expert or authority, be it a scientific, philosophical, or religious one.

still not relevant. you can't even get all scientists to agree on scientific matters, much less things outside of science. just out of curiosity, do you know anyone who denies that there is no personhood gap between parents and offspring? or that a mother does not have the right to murder a baby for convenience?