i haven't gotten into that terminology no matter how badly people misrepresent my posts. i have said that those programs have surpassed lsu's cws results over the last several seasons. that is a fact. some people are ok with it and make excuses. some people are not.

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You can’t group them all together to fit your argument

it's not "my argument." i am stating facts, i.e. win/loss records at the cws, cws appearances and championships.

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Those programs are not all created equal in terms of success in that regard

what does this even mean?

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UCLA? Tech? TCU? Arky? Are you fricking kidding me? They have all had more disappointing underachieving seasons than LSU but yet you fail to mention any of them.

i am posting the fact that those programs i listed have at least as many cws appearances as lsu, at least as many cws wins, at least as many championships yet, have a lesser investment in the sport. in some cases significantly less. you seem to be unaware of the list i have been posting for the last few years.

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No it’s not

so you're arguing with facts? are you stupid or do you just not know the facts? lsu has not surpassed those teams in cws results over the last several seasons. that is not an opinion. you are wrong.

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Those aren’t on the top ten list

i am looking at roi. the programs i listed have a lesser investment yet, are at least equal to lsu's cws results over the last several years. again, those are facts.

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none of the other teams spending millions in the top ten besides UF have accomplished more

again, factually wrong

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whether you go 2 & que or win 2 and then get bounced it’s fricking meaningless if your not playing for the title

so you can't be reasoned with. that's all you had to say. your statement is completely stupid. so bball teams that make the final four is meaningless because they didn't play for the nc. my word. everyone is "playing for the title" once the regionals start.

again, i'm not trying to lock down a floor for lsu out of context. i am comparing resumes. other programs have a better resume over a long period of time.

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Does that mean they have had more success than those teams. frick no

it means they've been more consistently successful which isn't helping your case at all.

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Hasn’t LSU and UT been overall better programs with 6 titles then FLA st?

you're missing the point. fsu is just ONE program that has invested less than lsu but has equaled lsu's cws results over the last several seasons.

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You can’t pick and choose your argument to fit your narrative

i'm posting brute facts which means i don't have a "narrative."

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Yes they are. Did you not read your 2nd link? South Carolina is on there and they are a damn dumpster fire

they are not on the list i have posted of programs who have been more successful.

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So now your determining success factor is CWS appearances

one of them, yes. absolutely. who would NOT consider that a benchmark?

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you keep moving the goal post

i haven't done that one time. i have posted the exact same list for years now. it hasn't changed at all. pm defenders go ballistic over it because they think it's somehow unfair. it's just facts.

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the most underachieving program in college baseball

you are calling fsu the most underachieving program? holy cow. that is asinine

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The fact that you think going to the CWS 17 times in 40 years and coming home with zero titles is something to brag about is laughable

the fact that you are calling it laughable suggests you have some sort of mental illness

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They are the laughing stock of the college baseball world when it comes to winning a title

link?

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keep creating a false narrative that they somehow are a better program then other teams with multiple titles and less cws wins.

when did i say this? this is what always happens. when faced with the facts, go straight for the strawman. pm bot speciality

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Do you know what ROI means vs overall success? There’s a big difference

really? explain it. this ought to be interesting.

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Tell me again

given lsu's investment in the sport, lsu should be 2nd to none at the cws, especially over longer periods of time. that is not the case

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I want to compare the teams closest to LSU in terms of spending

and who would that be?

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I can guarantee you the results won’t be what you think.

you mean other than the list i've already been posting which shows that you are definitively wrong?

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Posted by Howyouluhdat

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Posted on 6/13/19 at 8:25 am to bfniii

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it's not "my argument." i am stating facts, i.e. win/loss records at the cws, cws appearances and championships.

You fail to understand that the teams you listed ahead of LSU don't all fall under this criteria. UCLA,UVA,osu,etc don't have more cws appearances than LSU over the last 10 years and some don't have any championships either. That's why I ask what your criteria is for a better overall program. If you want to use CWS wins then that's why I gave you an example with Fla St. You can't always go by that because they aren't viewed by logical college baseball fans as a better program then ones with titles. Do you get it now ?

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what does this even mean?

I just explained it

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i am posting the fact that those programs i listed have at least as many cws appearances as lsu, at least as many cws wins, at least as many championships yet, have a lesser investment in the sport. in some cases significantly less. you seem to be unaware of the list i have been posting for the last few years.

But that's completely false. I just told you why. Go look up the results. Stop lying.

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so you're arguing with facts? are you stupid or do you just not know the facts? lsu has not surpassed those teams in cws results over the last several seasons. that is not an opinion. you are wrong.

I can't really argue with a person that cant comprehend simple questions. Are cws results wins? championships? or apprearances? Again because all of those teams are not ahead of lsu in every category but keep making shite up. You must not even read your own post or understand the so called "facts" you post.

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again, factually wrong

You are delusional. I really don't know any other way to put it. If you want to say the last few years that's fine but in PM overall tenure its absolutely false.

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so bball teams that make the final four is meaningless because they didn't play for the nc. my word. everyone is "playing for the title" once the regionals start.

I am the stupid one yet you are comparing two completely different sports? got it. Lol everyone is not in the title game in the regional, are you fricking dumb? Read what I said slowly

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it means they've been more consistently successful which isn't helping your case at all.

You define success as just going to the CWS? because they haven't won shite in the CWS and they have the same amount of appearances in the last decade. See how you move the goalpost? You cant decide what criteria you want to use. You are the only person I have ever heard say Fla St is better than a program that has 6 national titles. Unfricking real

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you're missing the point. fsu is just ONE program that has invested less than lsu but has equaled lsu's cws results over the last several seasons.

I'm not missing anything. LSU has invested more and has accomplished more than FSU...way more. I can't even believe we are having this discussion.

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one of them, yes. absolutely. who would NOT consider that a benchmark?

Again if that's your benchmark then more than half of the teams you listed cant touch LSU in terms of appearances. frick you are like talking to a child.

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you are calling fsu the most underachieving program? holy cow. that is asinine

One of them absolutely and I can promise you just about every college baseball fan out there will tell you that. You don't go to the CWS 17 times and not come home with a title. That's fricking underachieving at its greatest. FSU has had some great teams. For example LSU has been to the CWS 18 times and won 6. OSU has been 7 times and won 3. UVA has been 4 times and actually have a national title. FSU hasn't done shite. They choke in the CWS. The whole reason you are talking shite about LSU is the same thing FSU has done but MORE times and that CHOKE. You are a fricking hypocrite and keep moving the goalpost.

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really? explain it. this ought to be interesting.

What's understood doesn't need to be explained but i'll do it anyway for you retard boy. ROI means you are getting back what you put in. Overall success in no way equates to that. You can not get back what you put in but have more overall success. LSU has more overall success than just about every program but their ROI isn't as high. Do you not know what your arguing? This is comical.

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and who would that be?

Read your 2nd link genius. Vandy is damn near the same in terms of spending and have the exact same accomplishments as LSU(unless they win it all this year). 4 CWS appearances, 1 title , 1 runner up in the last decade. But I bet you wish we had Vandy's success huh?