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re: But She Hit Me First! ETA: NEW PIC IN OP
Posted on 4/4/19 at 11:07 am to atxfan
Posted on 4/4/19 at 11:07 am to atxfan
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but the truth is that you never pull out a gun unless you plan to use it, and when you do, shoot center of mass and shoot to kill.
That’s not “the truth”. It’s just the debatable mantra of the self-defense movement.
And you misstated it anyway. You shoot to stop the threat, not to kill.
Either way, it’s not “the truth”; cops use their weapons as intimidation factors all the time. It would be ludicrous to tell cops they are supposed to “shoot to kill” every time they draw their weapon.
It’s ludicrious to tell average joes that, too.
People should be very very judicious about when to draw their weapon and very very judicious about when to put a bunch of rounds center mass into a person. We can assume that there is often no discernible delay between the two decisions, but we can’t assume that it’s always simultaneous.
If you disagree, just give me a True/False on this proposition.
If drawing your weapon causes a lethal threat (what you perceived it to be, at the time you drew your weapon) to retreat and cease being reasonably seen as a lethal threat, you should not then shoot to kill the now non-lethal threat.
This post was edited on 4/4/19 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 4/4/19 at 3:57 pm to uway
quote:
That’s not “the truth”. It’s just the debatable mantra of the self-defense movement.
And you misstated it anyway. You shoot to stop the threat, not to kill.
Either way, it’s not “the truth”; cops use their weapons as intimidation factors all the time. It would be ludicrous to tell cops they are supposed to “shoot to kill” every time they draw their weapon.
It’s ludicrious to tell average joes that, too.
People should be very very judicious about when to draw their weapon and very very judicious about when to put a bunch of rounds center mass into a person. We can assume that there is often no discernible delay between the two decisions, but we can’t assume that it’s always simultaneous.
If you disagree, just give me a True/False on this proposition.
If drawing your weapon causes a lethal threat (what you perceived it to be, at the time you drew your weapon) to retreat and cease being reasonably seen as a lethal threat, you should not then shoot to kill the now non-lethal threat.
You make some good points but I don't think my opinion changes. Substitute "humble opinion" for "truth" and I still stand behind what I said. The reason, and I feel like this is implied, is that you don't pull out a gun unless you feel like your life is in danger, and at that point the intent is to use lethal force to neutralize that threat. I don't think it's fair to compare that type of scenario which most should hopefully never have to face to what a law enforcement officer would encounter in the course of their job.
In this case, I don't think the unarmed woman was a lethal threat, I don't think the guy was "very very" judicious about when he drew his weapon, and I don't think it did anything to de-escalate the situation.
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