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re: OK Libs, please have the stones to go on record:
Posted on 2/15/19 at 7:44 am to oogabooga68
Posted on 2/15/19 at 7:44 am to oogabooga68
This talking point has been thoroughly debunked. A nerdy statistics guy I heard on Blunt Force Truth laid out the details and sources used. I'll have to do some digging to link to it - but that claim is patently false.
Illegal immigrant proponents cook the numbers by both reducing the numerator and including legal immigrants in the denominator. What the data actually shows is that illegal immigrants do indeed engage in more criminal behavior. Legal immigrants, however, are among the most law-abiding with their data showing showing them to be among the best behaved of those in the US.
Illegal immigrant proponents cook the numbers by both reducing the numerator and including legal immigrants in the denominator. What the data actually shows is that illegal immigrants do indeed engage in more criminal behavior. Legal immigrants, however, are among the most law-abiding with their data showing showing them to be among the best behaved of those in the US.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 7:48 am
Posted on 2/15/19 at 8:19 am to JohnnyT
The claim that illegals are more law abiding (other than being in the country illegally, of course) is false. Below is from the Crime Prevention Research Center. Granted it only examines detailed data from Arizona but when I heard this guy explain it he went into great detail as to how the so-called study libs reference as a source inflates the denominator and reduces the numerator.
This link Crime Research Org websitecan also get you to the full study with methodology and sources used.
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Using newly released detailed data on all prisoners who entered the Arizona state prison from January 1985 through June 2017, we are able to separate non-U.S. citizens by whether they are illegal or legal residents. This data does not rely on self-reporting by criminals. Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans. They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10.5% longer sentences, more likely to be classified as dangerous, and 45% more likely to be gang members than U.S. citizens. Yet, there are several reasons that these numbers are likely to underestimate the share of crime committed by undocumented immigrants. There are dramatic differences between in the criminal histories of convicts who are U.S. citizens and undocumented immigrants. Young convicts are especially likely to be undocumented immigrants. While undocumented immigrants from 15 to 35 years of age make up about 0.81% of the Arizona population, they make up almost 8% of the prison population. Even after adjusting for the fact that young people commit crime at higher rates, young undocumented immigrants commit crime at twice the rate of young U.S. citizens. These undocumented immigrants also tend to commit more serious crimes.
This link Crime Research Org websitecan also get you to the full study with methodology and sources used.
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