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No one is saying that. As a huge O skeptic I would absolutely be happy and impressed with 10-2 this year. No question that is a successful season. Not give him an extension successful but certainly worthy of seeing if he can earn one in 2019 with a run to Atlanta and the CFP. 9-3 would be par imo, and depending on how the games go a sign that things are likely going to go down from there based on the rest of the conference catching up to O under their new coaches. I wouldn’t expect him to be fired for it unless the losses are just embarrassing again, but my hopes for 2019 would certainly be drastically reduced and 19 would be absolute win or GTFO, just like it was for Miles in 2016. 8-4 or worse is a failure and should be the end of his tenure imo.

According to this, we're on the same page. If 10-2 impresses you, then you're not expecting 10-2 (which has been the norm). It sounds like you're expecting 9-3 (which is a fair expectation imo). I'm expecting 8-4.

All of this supports my point that expectations are lower (and should be) than the norm of 10-2.

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You’re kind of all over the place here dude. You seem to think O isn’t the guy for the job, but are ok with 8-4 just because that’s the best he can do??

I don't think he is the right guy for the job, but ya know what, I'm not infallible. I could be wrong about him and so could you.

I did not say I'm ok with 8-4 "just because that's the best he can do". I said I'm ok with 8-4 because of a complete overhaul on offense and Miami/Georgia. I even said I would feel this way if Saban was our coach (provided he didn't have 30 championships).

Pay attention.

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Posted by nvasil1

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Posted on 6/27/18 at 2:43 pm to TchPowDog

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All of this supports my point that expectations are lower (and should be) than the norm of 10-2.

I think the last few pages have just been an exercise in semantics.

Expectations for this program shouldn't be lower than 10-2. Whether or not we believe that expectation will be met is totally different.

There are perfectly valid reasons to support why 10-2 will be difficult to achieve, but that doesn't mean the bar has to be lowered to make 8-4 more satisfactory.

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Posted by Tiger Voodoo

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Posted on 6/27/18 at 3:06 pm to TchPowDog

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If 10-2 impresses you, then you're not expecting 10-2 (which has been the norm). It sounds like you're expecting 9-3 (which is a fair expectation imo). I'm expecting 8-4.

I mean, you’re just being obtuse at this point.

You are using the term expecting when what you mean is predicting.

I am using expectation in the sense of what the team should achieve, given the talent, not what they will achieve.

I’m not expecting anything, at least not anything I’ve expressed here.

I can still be happy and impressed by a team that achieves what they should, not just when they overachieve.

When I said 9-3 would be par I didn’t mean that’s what I predict, or what they should achieve, I meant basically 9-3 is the bare minimum to avoid being a failure of a season, even though it would still be underachieving in my opinion.

Basically it would mean likely going 1-3 against the best teams on our schedule, something that isn’t impressive but also not necessarily a huge embarrassment.

It would be a failure to reach the team’s full potential, but also not a fireable offense assuming the losses were to the better teams and in at least competitive fashion.

I can’t believe you don't honestly see the difference here.