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re: South Africa seizing land from white people
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:37 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:37 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yeah Mandela was far more conciliatory to the Apartheid government than more extreme elements in South Africa.
Don't be gullible. Mandela was 100% the ideological twin of the more militant elements in South Africa
There's nothing new about what Mandela did. It's a scam that's been repeated for all of history
He understood that to Curry favor with places like the United States and Europe and more importantly get political action against the white government he couldn't run around being a murderous a-hole.
But just like functionally speaking there is zero difference between Obama and Jeremiah Wright functionally speaking there was Zero difference between Mandela and the militant groups
Mandela was simply necessary as a vehicle to eventually allow the militant groups to do what they wanted to do
This shite ain't new and it ain't the last time it will happen
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:47 pm to ShortyRob
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Mandela was 100% the ideological twin of the more militant elements in South Africa
I disagree with this assertion. The ANC adopted militancy after the PAC, only after the Sharpsville Massacre and the subsequent arrest of 15,000 or so demonstrators. And the initial stage of militancy was focused on sabotage, with other methods adopted during the 70's, when Mandela was at Robben Island. There can be some criticism of his decision to adopt militancy, as some people have argued that all peaceful, diplomatic options were not exhausted, but the Apartheid government at the time had also banned the ANC and the communist party in an effort to shift the frame of the conversation. He certainly doesn't appear to be the twin of any militants, especially in light of Tom Lodge's work, which complicates the degree that other groups and people within the ANC itself agreed and disagreed with Mandela.
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He understood that to Curry favor with places like the United States and Europe and more importantly get political action against the white government he couldn't run around being a murderous a-hole.
He did understand this, but as he lays out in his speech "I Am Prepared to Die," he had seen what the outcome of racial violence had done before, and thus wanted to avoid a civil war which would make racial harmony an impossibility. He also proposes nationalization and redistribution in the speech, moves he actually resisted for the most part while he was president.
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But just like functionally speaking there is zero difference between Obama and Jeremiah Wright functionally speaking there was Zero difference between Mandela and the militant groups
Well, the ANC of 1994 is functionally different from the ANC now, as in 2015, the ANC announced that it was following the example of the Chinese Communist Party, which represented a departure from earlier proclamations. Mandela actually highlights the issues with communism and African nationalism in his speech, and discusses why it was important to keep the two distinct. My view is that an ANC led by Mandela is a much different organization than the ANC now, and that implicating him in the organization's move leftward (or rather, more authoritarian) post-2015 is not an accurate representation of the complexity of the situation. I mean shortly after the declaration by the ANC that they would move to a model of economic development exemplified by the Chinese, President Xi offered the country a 60 billion dollar aid package.
Mandela was responsible for a lot, but I think he was sincere in his efforts at reconciliation, which included appointing National Party ministers in his cabinet, supporting the rugby team in the 1995 World Cup, and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which attempted to avoid reprisals from both the Apartheid government and those who struggled against it.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 5:53 pm
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