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re: If your kid called you from school and said there was an active shooter?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:06 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:06 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:I would be willing to say it would have been more likely that it wouldn't have made a difference.
Are you really going to try to tell me that if any of the teachers at the recent shooting would have been armed, it would have made no difference?
The chances are low that a teacher carrying was in the proximity of the shooting, was able to first make sure his/her students was safe, then prepared the weapon for engagement, engaged, and then did it effectively before it was all done.
That's a lot of specific things that have to happen perfectly, especially for people who aren't trained (like SWAT) for that situation and would also have other priorities (ensuring his/her students' safety) that would take priority.
The main thing people need to realize that these are extemely rare events, even if one is too many.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:24 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Okay, since you continue to play "the hypothetical game", I'll play.
I would be willing to say it would have been more likely that it wouldn't have made a difference.
The chances are low that a teacher carrying was in the proximity of the shooting, was able to first make sure his/her students was safe, then prepared the weapon for engagement, engaged, and then did it effectively before it was all done.
That's a lot of specific things that have to happen perfectly, especially for people who aren't trained (like SWAT) for that situation and would also have other priorities (ensuring his/her students' safety) that would take priority.
Let's say that the male football coach concealed-carried a Glock 19 (9mm with 17+1 magazine). He barricades the door of his classroom and has all of the kids take cover on the opposite side of the room away from the door. He takes cover closer to door opposite of the students. The gunman tries to enter the classroom and can't open the locked door, so he shoots several rounds at the locks to attempt to bridge the door. The coach returns fire through the door with several rounds.
What the frick do you think the shooter is going to do if he isn't hit by the shots? Continue shooting at the door and attempting to enter the room and have a shootout? Or abandon the plan to enter that room and look for another?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:32 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Dude, I'm not talking about a teacher doing a Rambo and going around the school to neutralize the gunman. I'm talking about barricading yourself in a room and taking up a defensive position to defend the room from the gunman entering. In this scenario, the person defending the room has the advantage.
The chances are low that a teacher carrying was in the proximity of the shooting, was able to first make sure his/her students was safe, then prepared the weapon for engagement, engaged, and then did it effectively before it was all done.
That's a lot of specific things that have to happen perfectly, especially for people who aren't trained (like SWAT) for that situation and would also have other priorities (ensuring his/her students' safety) that would take priority.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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I would be willing to say it would have been more likely that it wouldn't have made a difference. The chances are low that a teacher carrying was in the proximity of the shooting, was able to first make sure his/her students was safe, then prepared the weapon for engagement, engaged, and then did it effectively before it was all done.
Are you A) 14 years old B) know nothing about firarms or C) a dumbass.
quote:SWAT? LOL. Your local yokel deputies and city police department special weapons and tactics? Jesus. If you are placing your faith there, God help you. They are wonderful at what they do. If your life depends on them, peace be upon you in the next life. Take responsibility for your own life. Sometimes, you only get one chance.
That's a lot of specific things that have to happen perfectly, especially for people who aren't trained (like SWAT) for that situation and would also have other priorities (ensuring his/her students' safety) that would take priority. The main thing people need to realize that these are extemely rare events, even if one is too many.
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