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re: Can you be fiscally conservative and socially liberal?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:33 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:33 pm to FooManChoo
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Even Libertarians have to have a basis for human rights and why they should be protected by a government.
True, but they do not need to be rooted in something as subjective as morality.
A purely secular definition of human rights would be that anything which does not create externalities are considered "rights". Right to throw the punch ends at your neighbors nose, etc. etc....probably poor phrasing on my part, but point being that no subjective view of right and wrong, and certainly no religious view of the same, is necessary.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 2:43 pm to CptRusty
quote:My point is that unless their is an objective standard, all other standards have to be subjective by necessity.
True, but they do not need to be rooted in something as subjective as morality.
quote:That's a fairly good standard in my opinion, but that's all it is: an opinion. It has no more merit than any other standard. Saying it's secular doesn't make it intrinsically better or worse, only that it fits another standard that you like, namely that it is a-religious. Why is that objectively better than any other standard, religious or otherwise?
A purely secular definition of human rights would be that anything which does not create externalities are considered "rights". Right to throw the punch ends at your neighbors nose, etc. etc....probably poor phrasing on my part
quote:Again, unless you have an objective standard that transcends all cultures, times, and contexts (such as is found in a God that transcends humanity), then all standards are subjective. You're just trying to make your case for why your own subjective standard is better than other subjective standards.
but point being that no subjective view of right and wrong, and certainly no religious view of the same, is necessary.
But back to my initial point: you cannot completely remove morality from government. There are moral arguments that can be made for government's involvement and its exclusion from just about everything in life.
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