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Class star average according to Rivals
Posted on 12/9/17 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 12/9/17 at 6:59 pm
We are at 3.45 currently. LSU’s best class under Miles was the 2009 class and it averaged 3.79. The 2014 class was 3.72. The 5 stars in the 2009 class were Reuben Randle (very productive), Craig Loston (solid but not great), Russell Shepherd (everyone knows this story) and Chris Davenport. Only Randle come close to performing at 5 star standard. The studs of the class 3 and 4 stars. Mo Claiborne, Bennie Logan, Lammin Barrow, Tahj Jones, and Josh Williford are just the success of the 3 star guys. There were 3-4 that never did anything.
The 2014 has some stud 5 stars that left after 3 years and some stud 3 stars that stayed for 4 years and produced on the field.
2011 was a top heavy class with a lot of misses in the 4 star and 3 star group. Finished 6th on rivals but was deficient defensively but loaded on offense. Class average was 3.65. This years class should get real close to that average. If the 3 star guys stay for 4-5 years, you build a solid base. They are needed to maintain the program, but these guys have to be around 4-5 years and not transfer out.
2012 was Miles worst class at 3.22. More 3 stars were productive than 4 stars in that class.
The 2015 class finished with a 3.44 average and most of the 3 stars were misses. Most have already transferred.
The 2016 class finished 5th with a 3.54 average. There are some misses but the class looks solid overall.
The biggest problem with some of Miles classes were the misses throughout the classes. There were a lot of guys who never saw the field. The positive from last years class is the number of guys that played this year.
The 2014 has some stud 5 stars that left after 3 years and some stud 3 stars that stayed for 4 years and produced on the field.
2011 was a top heavy class with a lot of misses in the 4 star and 3 star group. Finished 6th on rivals but was deficient defensively but loaded on offense. Class average was 3.65. This years class should get real close to that average. If the 3 star guys stay for 4-5 years, you build a solid base. They are needed to maintain the program, but these guys have to be around 4-5 years and not transfer out.
2012 was Miles worst class at 3.22. More 3 stars were productive than 4 stars in that class.
The 2015 class finished with a 3.44 average and most of the 3 stars were misses. Most have already transferred.
The 2016 class finished 5th with a 3.54 average. There are some misses but the class looks solid overall.
The biggest problem with some of Miles classes were the misses throughout the classes. There were a lot of guys who never saw the field. The positive from last years class is the number of guys that played this year.
This post was edited on 12/10/17 at 8:31 am
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:00 pm to salford227
GREAT THREAD BRO! Have an upvote
This post was edited on 12/9/17 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:09 pm to salford227
You will have some misses every class, or rather guys that don't see the field much. The attrition is the problem. Guys want to play, no one wants to be a backup anymore. It's not exclusive to LSU either. I wouldn't harp on that too much.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:31 pm to salford227
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2012 was Miles worst class at 3.22
That was a complete stinker
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:43 pm to salford227
damn. So many O apologists trying to make this class seem great. Give it a rest
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:46 pm to salford227
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2012 was Miles worst class at 3.22. More 3 stars were productive than 4 stars in that class.
That's interesting. Considering it was right after we went undefeated in the regular season and lost the NC, you would think recruits would've been knocking on the door to play for us right after that.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:47 pm to OKtiger
quote:In my view that was the year/class that started our problems in the trenches.
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2012 was Miles worst class at 3.22
That was a complete stinker
Studrawa was overwhelmed being OL coach and OC, and Haley just seemed to get lazy after being awesome (or was copying Chavis).
We got two future greats on the OL- Hawkins and Vadal. But that was the problem... only 2. 1 of the many years we only took 1 OT (if you don't count D. Gordon).
On the DL we only enrolled 1- Danielle Hunter.
From then on we were playing catch up, and the misses and projects prevented us from catching up. To this day I wonder if I should be pissed at Frank W (RC) or Miles (for not getting on Stud & Haley's asses).
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:49 pm to ForLSU56
quote:1. Our fan base is spoiled
3 downvotes.....why?
2. Most of em don't like the truth at all
3. They want every 5 star to come here and they want every class to be Top 3
This isn't the class for that. This is a foundation building class. Prime example is the 10 OL AND DL we have. Coach O wanted the trenches rebuilt and that's what he's doing. Besides I'd rather have 3 and 4 stars. They have more to prove. Some 5 stars don't do that. I like this class ALOT
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:53 pm to salford227
It's just an average game. Would like to know what it is...1 of 3 5stars turn out solid? 1 of 10 2 stars? Anyone know the research on this?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 7:58 pm to CapperVin
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damn. So many O apologists trying to make this class seem great. Give it a rest
This class may suck! I don’t know that nor do you. I did some research because idiots bash 3 star kids consistently. Most of the 3 star kids that have exploded at LSU were Louisiana kids. Texas 3 star kids seemed to fail or underachieve.
What I like about his class is the BEEF! In 2011, Miles loaded up on offensive talent and failed to get defensive players. In 2013, we had a loaded offense and failed to achieve because of a lack on defense. Last years class was fairly balanced and if this class finishes like expected, it will be balanced as well.
Sorry to screw your mind up with some facts. Stick your head back up your a?? where it belongs.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 8:00 pm to salford227
Posted on 12/9/17 at 8:04 pm to salford227
quote:Never thought about looking at a singular star rating vs home state. Very interesting. Just for noting that trend you deserve a round of thanks. Not because of some state pride thing, but because it's one of those hidden nuggets that are hard to find and actually might mean something. Index and normalized statistics (such as stars) always hide something.
Most of the 3 star kids that have exploded at LSU were Louisiana kids. Texas 3 star kids seemed to fail or underachieve.
I'm sure the coaches just take it in a case by case basis in their own individual evaluations, but it would be something if they had Stars vs State "scores".
Posted on 12/9/17 at 8:07 pm to OhIMember
I saw that after I went back and looked. My mistake, sorry about that. It’s very possible this class ends around a 3.7 average
Posted on 12/9/17 at 8:09 pm to tiogatiger19
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It's just an average game. Would like to know what it is...1 of 3 5stars turn out solid? 1 of 10 2 stars? Anyone know the research on this?
Yes. I posted a whole thread on this a while back. The higher your star rating, the more likely you are to be drafted in the first round, second round, and just in general. Anecdotally you can look at the 5 star lists and see that most turn out to be studs. It’s common sense, 5 stars are the best. That said, with good scouting you can pick up great 3 stars.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 8:14 pm to Bige11
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Bige11
Thanks, will find it and check it out
Posted on 12/9/17 at 9:46 pm to salford227
I agree.
Saban 2002-2004 signing classes:
2002 = 14 -3 stars
2003 = 10 -3 stars
2004 = 11 -3 stars
Saban 2002-2004 signing classes:
2002 = 14 -3 stars
2003 = 10 -3 stars
2004 = 11 -3 stars
This post was edited on 12/10/17 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 12/9/17 at 9:59 pm to ForLSU56
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3 downvotes.....why?
It’s random shotgun pattern. 2009, then 2014, then 2011...
What happened to 2010 and 2013? Intentional omission or oversight?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 10:21 pm to tiogatiger19
Here is what I was talking about earlier. The meat of the post I copied and pasted here.
I forget what year that was but it holds up every year in a similar way.
Drafted in 1st round
Five stars: eight (25 percent)
Four stars: seven (21.9 percent)
Three stars: 15 (47.8 percent)
However, of course he needs a lesson in how percentages work.
This is what the number of stars comprise as a percentage of recruiting class.
Five stars 26 - 0.7%
Four stars: 336 (8.9 percent)
Three stars: 971 (25.7 percent)
Two stars or lower: 2,441 (64.7 percent)
So despite comprising less than 1 percent of all recruits, five-stars accounted for a quarter of 2015 first-rounders. Meanwhile, more than 90 percent of all recruits are designated as being three stars or less, yet their representation in the first round is nearly half that.
If you pull other data sets 5 stars still have the highest percentage of players in the nfl, by far, and then on down the list (4,3,then 2).....
Same basic pattern holds for other years too.
And by the way, I'm not a ranter migrating over. I have posted in recruiting section for years now.
Plus, there is a direct correlation between recruiting class rankings and ranking in final ap poll.
I forget what year that was but it holds up every year in a similar way.
Drafted in 1st round
Five stars: eight (25 percent)
Four stars: seven (21.9 percent)
Three stars: 15 (47.8 percent)
However, of course he needs a lesson in how percentages work.
This is what the number of stars comprise as a percentage of recruiting class.
Five stars 26 - 0.7%
Four stars: 336 (8.9 percent)
Three stars: 971 (25.7 percent)
Two stars or lower: 2,441 (64.7 percent)
So despite comprising less than 1 percent of all recruits, five-stars accounted for a quarter of 2015 first-rounders. Meanwhile, more than 90 percent of all recruits are designated as being three stars or less, yet their representation in the first round is nearly half that.
If you pull other data sets 5 stars still have the highest percentage of players in the nfl, by far, and then on down the list (4,3,then 2).....
Same basic pattern holds for other years too.
And by the way, I'm not a ranter migrating over. I have posted in recruiting section for years now.
Plus, there is a direct correlation between recruiting class rankings and ranking in final ap poll.
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