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re: The Fundamental Flaw in every last God/No God thread ever on this board
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:01 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:01 pm to Kentucker
I think someone else brought up the category error fallacy (or just category fallacy) previously, but the fallacy is committed when a person attributes a wrong characteristic to something. The Beatles song, 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps' is a poetic example of this fallacy since guitars are objects that do not have the characteristic of weeping.
When discussing the existence of God, most people generally agree that the idea of God in question has the characteristic of infinite being. When you therefore ask question of who or what created an (assumed) infinite being, you are assigning an attribute of finitude that requires a cause or creator to an infinite being and thus confusing categories.
If it is assumed that God is infinite and has no beginning then it is a fallacy to ask who or what created it, even if God doesn't exist. What matters is the acceptance of the idea and characteristics of God in question and then "playing by the rules" of logic in the discussion.
When discussing the existence of God, most people generally agree that the idea of God in question has the characteristic of infinite being. When you therefore ask question of who or what created an (assumed) infinite being, you are assigning an attribute of finitude that requires a cause or creator to an infinite being and thus confusing categories.
If it is assumed that God is infinite and has no beginning then it is a fallacy to ask who or what created it, even if God doesn't exist. What matters is the acceptance of the idea and characteristics of God in question and then "playing by the rules" of logic in the discussion.
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:04 pm to FooManChoo
It's fun watching you try to bring logic into your points. Assumptions and beliefs can be, and are molded to fit worldviews. This is no different. Applying it to something and trying to mask it as anything more than mythology doesn't fly.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:30 pm to FooManChoo
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If it is assumed that the universe is infinite and has no beginning then it is a fallacy to ask who or what created it
FIFY
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:37 pm to FooManChoo
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If it is assumed that God is infinite and has no beginning then it is a fallacy to ask who or what created it, even if God doesn't exist.
To assume makes an "arse" out of "u" and "me." That's why it isn't used in the scientific community.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:17 pm to FooManChoo
quote:precisely. this is what i meant when i referred to the necessary/contingent distinction
When discussing the existence of God, most people generally agree that the idea of God in question has the characteristic of infinite being. When you therefore ask question of who or what created an (assumed) infinite being, you are assigning an attribute of finitude that requires a cause or creator to an infinite being and thus confusing categories.
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