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re: If secession was legal then what right did the North have to keep the South in the USA?

Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:20 am to
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:20 am to
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There was no federal government.

Then how did Congress function?

Who employed them?


Under the Articles adopted in 1779 the senior government official was the president of Congress. The states sent congressmen to the congress. There was no Senate. each state had one vote. Congress placed requisitions upon the states. "Please send us some money."

This didn't work at all. By 1785 the government was completely broke. That is when the last Navy ship was sold. Under the Articles there was no president of the United States, no departments of State, Treasury or War, no judiciary and no power to tax.

The -federal- system adopted under the Constitution delegates power to both the federal government and the states.

George Washington to John Jay


1 Aug. 1786


Your sentiments, that our affairs are drawing rapidly to a crisis, accord with my own. What the event will be, is also beyond the reach of my foresight. We have errors to correct; we have probably had too good an opinion of human nature in forming our confederation. Experience has taught us, that men will not adopt and carry into execution measures the best calculated for their own good, without the intervention of a coercive power. I do not conceive we can exist long as a nation without having lodged some where a power, which will pervade the whole Union in as energetic a manner, as the authority of the State Governments extends over the several States.

To be fearful of investing Congress, constituted as that body is, with ample authorities for national purposes, appears to me the very climax of popular absurdity and madness. Could Congress exert them for the detriment of the public, without injuring themselves in an equal or greater proportion? Are not their interests inseparably connected with those of their constituents? By the rotation of appointment, must they not mingle frequently with the mass of Citizens? Is it not rather to be apprehended, if they were possessed of the powers before described, that the individual members would be induced to use them, on many occasions, very timidly and inefficaciously for fear of losing their popularity and future election? We must take human nature as we find it: perfection falls not to the share of mortals. Many are of opinion that Congress have too frequently made use of the suppliant humble tone of requisition, in applications to the States, when they had a right to assert their imperial dignity and command obedience. Be that as it may, requisitions are a perfect nihility where thirteen sovereign independent disunited States are in the habit of discussing and refusing compliance with them at their option. Requisitions are actually little better than a jest and a bye word throughout the land. If you tell the Legislatures they have violated the Treaty of Peace, and invaded the prerogatives of the confederacy, they will laugh in your face. What then is to be done? Things cannot go on in the same train forever. It is much to be feared, as you observe, that the better kind of people, being disgusted with the circumstances, will have their minds prepared for any revolution whatever. We are apt to run from one extreme into another. To anticipate and prevent disastrous contingencies, would be the part of wisdom and patriotism.

What astonishing changes a few years are capable of producing. I am told that even respectable characters speak of a monarchical form of Government without horror. From thinking proceeds speaking, thence to acting is often but a single step. But how irrevocable and tremendous! what a triumph for our enemies to verify their predictions! what a triumph for the advocates of despotism to find that we are incapable of governing ourselves, and that systems founded on the basis of equal liberty are merely ideal and fallacious! Would to God that wise measures may be taken in time to avert the consequences we have but too much reason to apprehend."

Washington was a strong proponent of national Union.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 11:57 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:50 am to
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“The real causes of dissatisfaction in the South with the North, are in the unjust taxation and expenditure of the taxes by the Government of the United States, and in the revolution the North has effected in this government, from a confederated republic, to a national sectional despotism.”


There were almost NO federal taxes in 1860. None. The government's revenue came almost 100% from tariffs on imported goods. And be advised that the Constitution prevents taxes or tariffs on the exports of any state.

A lot of people bring that up - poor southern states all taxed by he feds.

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 5
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