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A pitcher has way more impact on a game than a position player. Sale has faced 654 hitters this year. Betts has only batted 525 times. Now he impacts the game by playing the field too, but the idea that a pitcher doesn't have the overall impact of a position player and can't win MVP isn't accurate.

Sale only has 1 complete game this year. No CG shut outs. He only impacts the game every 5th day and even then not the entire game. I also dont love Fangraphs pitchers WAR because it is FIP based. Some pitchers have shown to routinely pitch below their FIP and while I love strikeouts, I think FIP overvalues them.

Im not 100% against pitchers winning it and Sale has been phenomenal dont get me wrong but it has to be a truly special season+poor position contenders. Hes been phenomenal but not a once in a decade type season IMO.

The reason people brought up Kluber is because he has had a very similar season. If Sale is MVP then Kluber is right there with him. Kluber has had 4 CG 2 of them being shut outs. You could argue that he has had further impact by that alone in his teams wins.

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Posted by The Seaward

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Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:53 pm to Adam Banks

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The reason people brought up Kluber is because he has had a very similar season. If Sale is MVP then Kluber is right there with him. Kluber has had 4 CG 2 of them being shut outs. You could argue that he has had further impact by that alone in his teams wins.

Sale has 30 more innings than Kluber and only given up 5 more runs. 30 innings with a 1.50 ERA is really valuable. I don't really care about complete games. Sale has had a few opportunities where he could have went complete, but Farrell turned it over to Kimbrel after 8.

Sale has basically been Kluber plus half of Andrew Miller.

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