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You self identify and celebrate a movement that went to war to keep a group of humans in slavery because of some melatonin in their skin.

You need some "yankee" in your life.

The South is better than that in the year 2017

You and a couple other posters in this thread are nothing but smug, arrogant, ignorant of history idiots and hypocrites. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was unenforceable on the states in rebellion. If Lincoln and the Union REALLY wanted to end slavery, he could just as easily made the provisions of the Emancipation Proclamation applicable to the Northern states at the same time, where it WAS enforceable. You do realize there were slaves in the Union states before and during the Civil War? No, I guess you do not know this, until now. The 13th amendment was passed by a Union Congress on January 31, 1865 and was not ratified until December 6, 1865, 8 months after the war ended. Yes, the Stars and Bars flew over the Confederate slave states for 4 years. And more importantly, the Stars and Stripes flew over the Union slave states for 89 years. Don't come in here claiming some moral high ground saying that the Confederacy alone bears all the guilt and shame of slavery. Research Lincoln's opinion on slavery. He, too, was a hypocrite. Slavery was terrible and will forever be a blight on our nation's history, but slavery was a national problem and blight, not just a southern peculiarity.

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Posted by AU86

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Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:07 pm to BFIV

“The Union government liberates the enemy’s slaves as it would the enemy’s cattle, simply to weaken them in the conflict. The principle is not that a human being cannot justly own another, but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the United States.”
London Spectator in reference to the Emancipation Proclamation

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Posted by WhiskeyPapa

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Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:58 am to BFIV

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You and a couple other posters in this thread are nothing but smug, arrogant, ignorant of history idiots and hypocrites. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was unenforceable on the states in rebellion. If Lincoln and the Union REALLY wanted to end slavery, he could just as easily made the provisions of the Emancipation Proclamation applicable to the Northern states at the same time, where it WAS enforceable.

Uh, no.

The federal government had no power over slavery until the ratification of the 13th amendment.

Lincoln used his war powers to end slavery in areas controlled by the secessionists on 1/1/63. Many blacks took that opportunity to flee to northern lines. The rebellion began to weaken faster and faster after 1/1/63.

This excerpt from the movie Lincoln demonstrates Lincoln's rationale for the EP:

"If in fact the Negroes are property according to law, have I the right to take the rebels' property from 'em, if I insist they're rebels only, and not citizens of a belligerent country? And slipperier still: I maintain it ain't our actual Southern states in rebellion but only the rebels living in those states, the laws of which states remain in force. The laws of which states remain in force. That means, that since it's states' laws that determine whether Negroes can be sold as slaves, as property - the Federal government doesn't have a say in that, least not yet then Negroes in those states are slaves, hence property, hence my war powers allow me to confiscate'em as such. So I confiscated 'em."

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