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re: When deciding GOAT player, how you you rank these factors?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:04 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:04 pm to pvilleguru
On a longer and longer timeline, all that is left of a player is his statistical record. The stories become legends and get discarded, and when we evaluate older players, we use stats. It's honestly the only way. None of us saw, say, Three Finger Brown throw a baseball.
But context is super important. Numbers don't always mean the same thing, and without context, they are virtually meaningless. You need to know a player relative to his league and the style of play or even his home arena (like the narrow boards at the Garden or the huge Polo Grounds).
But I tend to favor black/grey ink stats. How many times did you lead the league in something. How many times were you top 10. How did you, relative to your peers? That cuts down a lot a noise regarding fluctuating scoring averages.
Championships are like extra credit.
But context is super important. Numbers don't always mean the same thing, and without context, they are virtually meaningless. You need to know a player relative to his league and the style of play or even his home arena (like the narrow boards at the Garden or the huge Polo Grounds).
But I tend to favor black/grey ink stats. How many times did you lead the league in something. How many times were you top 10. How did you, relative to your peers? That cuts down a lot a noise regarding fluctuating scoring averages.
Championships are like extra credit.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:17 pm to Baloo
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But I tend to favor black/grey ink stats. How many times did you lead the league in something. How many times were you top 10. How did you, relative to your peers? That cuts down a lot a noise regarding fluctuating scoring averages.
You can only compare stats for that era.
And awards help in determining what contemporaries thought of you instead of hindsight.
So stats only matter in how much better you were than your peers.
If a guy in the 90's was leading the league in something...that now seems paltry by comparison...who cares? You can't compare different eras...you can compare by how much they separated themselves from their peers in each respective era.
If a pitcher had a 2.00 ERA but tons of other guys had the same for that era, how important is that all-time? Of like QB ratings and completion % these days...it's a joke. Top 25 QB ratings, almost all are after 1998.
It's all context. And context is only era specific.
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