re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?

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Correct, it's a point, not an argument and certainly not a guess.

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Whatever you call it is not sufficient for this discussion. If "I don't know" was a salient point in order to rebut any arguments for the existence of God, it would have received more treatment by the philosophers throughout history.

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Wrong. There is commonality that is sufficient for my point

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You are trying to compare apples to oranges, like the other poster did earlier in the thread. You want to falsify an idea which cannot be done. You can certainly falsify expected results of an idea, but that hasn't been attempted here.

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Your continued insistence that only your god could provide objective morality shows that you have no interest in that.

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I have put forth a philosophical argument and you claim that it is on part with "I don't know". You haven't offered any defense of your statement as I have or backed up what "I don't know" could even look like in relation to this argument.

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I'm aware, and this is your biggest issue.

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I don't believe it is, but even if you're correct, it offers a concrete starting point for what an objective moral law giver would look like. Secularism has no version of "God" that could do the same thing, which has been my point all along.

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I don't need to. You want to pull me into your mythology to make your point, because it doesn't work otherwise. I won't allow it, and I don't care if that bothers you.

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I'm not trying to pull you into anything but an actual discussion of ideas. You are not providing any of your own, just saying that I'm wrong and that "I don't know" is an acceptable rebuttal. I said previously that don't have to believe the Bible is true in order to grant that the God of the Bible would be an objective moral law giver. My argument doesn't require your belief in the Bible as you seem to think.

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Correct, and one is as likely as the other

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There are several philosophical arguments for the existence of God. How many are there for the existence of "I don't know"?

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We've had this conversation before. Do we really need to do it again?

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Apparently so, since you cherry-pick what you want to discuss while not providing any real answer to what you are addressing.

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It is. Much better than I have done it over and over again.

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Care to provide an example of this? I'm worried that you're slipping into delusion.