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re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:18 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:18 pm to FooManChoo
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It's amazing how insightful it is concerning it was written by "primitive men".
I think the Bible is a great piece of literature. You take primitive to mean something it doesn't mean. That doesn't mean it holds any objectivity. It gets quite a bit wrong to coincide with all of that insight. Insight from the minds of men.
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claims
Sure, but that's irrelevant.
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You don't have to believe it but you can't deny that if it's true, it is most certainly a concrete basis for objectivity, and that's the point I'm trying to make.
Right, and in that case, my basis is just as likely to be correct. You cannot rationally accept one possibility without accepting the other.
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It's not relevant.
It certainly is. You don't like it, but that's not important.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Again, if the Bible does provide the truth as revealed by God, then yes, it could and would hold objectivity because the human authors are irrelevant if guarded by God as to not provide error. If you want to talk about errors, you can start that thread that I asked about previously. You seem concerned with showing how the Bible isn't trustworthy so please demonstrate it.
I think the Bible is a great piece of literature. You take primitive to mean something it doesn't mean. That doesn't mean it holds any objectivity. It gets quite a bit wrong to coincide with all of that insight. Insight from the minds of men.
quote:Your claims aren't relevant because you don't substantiate them. Not even that, you don't even provide anything concrete in your claims. You've resorted to the absurdity of using "I don't know" as a philosophical defense of your worldview because you think it's a clever refutation of the claim of God.
Sure, but that's irrelevant.
quote:Not all claims hold the same weight. You have to provide a reason for why "I don't know" should be acceptable to me or to anyone else and you haven't done that. I have provided a rational explanation of how an objective morality can exist in my worldview but you haven't provided a rational explanation of how objective morality can exist in yours.
Right, and in that case, my basis is just as likely to be correct. You cannot rationally accept one possibility without accepting the other.
quote:It's not relevant because you haven't offered up anything. You haven't put together a thought and presented a rational reason for why it should be accepted. You have just declared that no reason at all holds the same weight as the existence of an objective law giver in God, which philosophers throughout history have wrestled with due to question of morality. You are being trite with a serious topic. If you'd like me to give you the last word and end this farce, let me know, because you have left the realm of serious discussion.
It certainly is. You don't like it, but that's not important.
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