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re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?

Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:12 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:12 pm to
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Would you care to officially specify the composition of your worldview?


"I don't know."

I think it's quite a leap for anyone to claim objective moral authority from any source.

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Not very helpful when you assert the possibility of an objective moral standard without even a hint of how that could be.


No, it's more than sufficient relative to what you offer. Not that long ago, we didn't understand why something we tossed in the air came back down, and look at us now. "I don't know" is perfectly acceptable in this discussion.

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Such as?


"I don't know."

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I'm not a fan of his.


Then y'all have many common sources, because you have several arguments that mirror his.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 4:24 pm to
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"I don't know."

I think it's quite a leap for anyone to claim objective moral authority from any source.
...other than from God? If God is who the Bible claims He is, He would seem to be a good source of an objective morality from humanity's perspective.

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No, it's more than sufficient relative to what you offer. Not that long ago, we didn't understand why something we tossed in the air came back down, and look at us now. "I don't know" is perfectly acceptable in this discussion.
Of course it is not acceptable. You are trying to equate natural law with moral law, the same mistake another poster made earlier in this thread. They aren't the same thing and cannot be measured the same way. "I don't know" isn't just insufficient to this discussion but it's inconsistent with whatever worldview you hold to, which you haven't described yet that I'm aware of.

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"I don't know."
This is the inevitable point in the discussion where you continue to respond because you don't want to look like a quitter but you refuse to offer anything of substance. It seems that our discourse is coming to an end. We'll see if you offer anything else to respond to.

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Then y'all have many common sources, because you have several arguments that mirror his.
I apply laws of logic to my Biblical worldview to come up with these arguments. Many other Christian apologists use the same arguments because they are rational, reasonable, and make sense in light of the world we live in and the Bible we believe in. If he argues from the same starting points it makes sense that we would have the same conclusions.
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