re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?

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Written by primitive men thousands of years ago. You have no more objectivity than anything I'd offer.

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It's amazing how insightful it is concerning it was written by "primitive men". Regardless, it claims to be given under the inspiration of God, meaning that its truth transcends whatever primitiveness existed in those men (which isn't much, considering they faced the same general problems we do and wrestled with the same sins we do). And, if that is true that the words, themselves, were inspired by God and thus are as good as if God penned the words with His own finger, then any argument about the human authors is irrelevant. The message, therefore, is what is important and what is the basis for the objectivity, not the humans who put pen to papyrus.

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Neither are you. That's the point.

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But I have. You don't have to believe it but you can't deny that if it's true, it is most certainly a concrete basis for objectivity, and that's the point I'm trying to make. You aren't providing anything other than contrarianism.

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Concede that "I don't know" is as relevant to that point as the existence of your god, and I'm happy to.

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It's not relevant.

If you refuse to concede because I won't agree to your nonsensical statements and not because of the rationality of what I have proposed, then you are irrational. If you are willing to concede for the sake of catching me in some sort of argumentative trick, then you are insincere. Either way, you're making a mockery of this discussion at this point.