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re: What would the current healthcare situation in America be if Obamacare wasn't passed?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 3:08 pm to 5thTiger
Posted on 3/26/17 at 3:08 pm to 5thTiger
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No we don't. Only speculations for what would have happened had it not gone into effect. But we do have solid evidence and data that says it slowed premium growth.
Dude. We don't know what would have happened if it had not gone into effect. To speculate what would have happened is speculation. For instance...what if the premiums had gone down had the old system stayed in place? That would indicate that ObamaCare had nothing to do with the slowing of premiums, wouldn't it? You are claiming that ObamaCare was the cause of the growth slowing down. You don't know this and there is no way to know this.
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Two of the most respected analysis agency/organizations that have no partisan leanings. Kaiser Foundation is the premier health care NGO.
Don't stop reading my post. I said they might back up your post, but I didn't see where they did. I also said that it might be because I didn't want to wade through all that dry information.
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Thats BS. Plenty of nonpartisan agencies and organizations provide good solid analysis for policies and programs. Perhaps you just don't want to hear what they have to say, which I am okay with, just as long as people admit it. Some people just like that Trump sticks his thumb in the eyes of the establishment, no matter the cost or damage, but at least they admit that.
Again...I don't believe there is any such thing as nonpartisan entities. The people that belong to these entities have opinions and stances, therefore their analysis can't help but be compromised to an extent. You are kidding yourself to think otherwise. I am saying that it goes both ways, but you are too partisan to even consider it.
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But this distrust of fact, anti-intellectual strain in our society is beyond dangerous. That is how governments and societies falter and fail.
And what is fact? tell me. Even science has been proven wrong on occasion. It changes. It is liquid according to the information that is available at the time. At one time is was considered fact that the sun orbited around the earth. That was accepted scientific theory. People accepted it as fact.
We know better, because somebody questioned it. Blind acceptance of "fact" is much more dangerous to our society than questioning it, don't you think?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 3:16 pm to DawgsLife
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You are claiming that ObamaCare was the cause of the growth slowing down. You don't know this and there is no way to know this.
That is what CBO & NGO reports are for....and yes, that is what they say.
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Don't stop reading my post
Used that to respond to multiple people, not just you.
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And what is fact?
Premium growth slowed as the ACA was implemented, which contradicts the claim that it caused premiums to skyrocket (as though they weren't before).
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Blind acceptance of "fact" is much more dangerous to our society than questioning it, don't you think?
There is a big difference between trusting qualified individuals proclaiming fact due to their credentials and proven methods, rather than someone who has no experience or credentials on a subject. Of course, some things need to be questioned. But others definitely don't, and definitely not by some people who are doing so with no evidence or reasonable theory to.
But there are numbers and facts which will not, and do not change.
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