re: Texas AG sued to keep a Bible quote in school. Now he’s troubled by Muslim prayers.

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So what? It's sufficient to highlight that your point on moral standards was irrelevant.

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I said there was moral degradation. You said that was my opinion. I said that moral standards are different and you responded by saying medical standards are different but not degraded. From my view, there are better and worse moral standards. Degrading morality in this country is the result of moving from a Christian standard to a humanistic standard. The result is moral degradation because the humanistic standard for morality is subjective and prone to negative outcomes due to human nature directing us towards selfishness. In this case, "different" does mean "degrading".

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I don't see morality as a quantifiable numerical value or an eternal absolute. It's a subjective concept that can and does change, like religion.

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Results of moral standards can be observed and people tend to know whether or not the outcomes are favorable or not even if they aren't thinking through their moral code fully.

I believe in an eternal God whose character is represented in His moral law and that moral law is the basis for the Biblical/Christian moral code. Therefore, I believe the Christian moral code is objective since it is based on the character of an eternal and unchanging, upright being and thus is the only "right" one.

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Yes it is.

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Please explain.

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It does, and it has.

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Actually it doesn't. That's why I said the moral law of God. Many wrongfully assume that every law in the Old Testament is a reflection of God's desire for all humanity and wrongfully use such laws as not mixing threads or eating shellfish as an excuse to disregard other laws, however what most people don't understand is the difference between the moral law, the ceremonial law, and the civil law. The moral law is from God's character and is summarized by the ten commandments. The civil and ceremonial laws were specific to the nation of Israel and used as pointers to Christ. They were fulfilled in Christ's death on the cross and thus are not needed any longer. The moral law of God remains and is as it ever was, unchanged.

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None of this is relevant.

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Moral codes are judged by their results. I think it's pretty relevant to list negative outcomes associated with discarding Christian morality.

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I never gave such an opinion.

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I inferred it based on your previous statements. You also said in your last message: "I don't see morality as a quantifiable numerical value or an eternal absolute. It's a subjective concept that can and does change, like religion", which seems to imply that that morality cannot be said to improve or degrade since it cannot be quantified. Do you disagree?

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Ah, the old standby.

No, I get it. It's still irrelevant.

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It's not a standby. Your responses don't seem to align with what I am saying so I'm wanting to ensure that my message is received clearly.

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What a bunch of self-centered bull shite.

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That's pretty much my point, but I know you think that of me or what I believe rather than the point that I was making of people being self-centered and not wanting to be compared and judged by a holy God.

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Wrong and wrong.

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You said that morality is subjective. If that is true, how do you deny that the secularist has no objective morality?

Since my morality is based on an objective, eternal God, I have a basis to say my morality is objective. You can choose to not believe it but at worst we are equal and at best, my code is right while yours is wrong. A practical application of this is that you have no objective basis to cast judgment on me or what I believe or to say my judgement of your beliefs is "wrong".

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Not sure I've made it clear enough. I don't care what you believe.

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Apparently you care enough to condemn it or at least try to prove me wrong. I wonder why you persist in responding if you don't care.

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Nope. There's a lot of "bad" in this world that is brought about by "bad" people. You choose religion to explain that because it makes sense to you. That's fine, but that doesn't mean it's the correct answer.

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How can you say bad exists at all or that there are bad people in the world if morality is subjective? What is bad to one person is good to another, after all. If you have a subjective moral standard (as you do), then all you can do is cast judgement based on how something or someone relates to you only, and even then it's nothing more than just an opinion and has no basis in reality outside of yourself.

I believe that the law of God is written on the hearts of man and that it takes shape in the notion of conscience. Because we are fallen and sinful creatures, we can suppress that truth and even twist it to be whatever we want it to be. We can ignore the truth and embrace a lie and think we're alright for doing it. In a world where there is no objective morality, each person is his own god and no one else can legitimately judge them for what they do or say or think. That boils down to "might makes right", which I believe most people would reject on its face as a legitimate moral code in our "civilized" world. The Christian worldview makes sense of reality and offers an objective lens to view the actions of men through. I urge you to repent and believe in the only one who can save you from the folly of your current worldview.