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re: How many RB's in the NFL are better (more talented) than Leonard Fournette?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:09 pm to GMoney2600
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:09 pm to GMoney2600
I believe Guice will be a better pro than Fournette. Fournette is more battering ram than savvy runner to me. I think he greatly benefitted from intimidation in college. There were times in his career that you could tell safeties wanted nothing to do with him and kind of pretended to be making an effort. I don't think that'll fly in the pros. Vision is the most glaring weakness I've seen from Fournette. Guice can navigate from one side of a phone booth to the other in 10 steps, Fournette just puts his head down and tries to run through it. Guice runs with a lot of instinct. He isn't thinking when he ball is in his hands, just reacting. Fournette is a dangerous space player because of his size, speed, and attitude. I just don't see the vision he's going to need to be Peterson elite at the next level. He's had holes against Alabama. Gaping holes. They just weren't the hole that the play was designed to be ran through. He's not patient in the backfield. That's a great trait when the hole is open and a terrible trait when it isn't. Devonta Freeman sort of runs the same way, he just has one speed and it's full tilt. He's got a lot of wiggle though that Fournette doesn't possess. Not everyone can be Leveon Bell when it comes to patience and vision, I get that I just think it's more than a deficiency in Fournettes game, it looks like a flat out weakness. Given his athletic ability and tenacious playing style though, he's going to be a homerun hitter. I think he'll have a lot of 50 yard games with some 175 yard games sprinkled in throughout his career. Going to a team with a mediocre offensive line is a death sentence for him imo. He's not a create on my own type of player.
You could even use the gif on the previous page as an example. There is a defender, albeit a small one, waiting in the designed hole. The play side end sets the edge to prevent an outside run and there's a safety over the top to clean up a bounce outside or a missed tackle by Humphrey. Look at the backside of the play. The center gets mauled, but the guard is unimpeded to the second level and gets to the linebacker and the tackle gets movement as well. The backside end gets sealed inside and there's just green grass over there. Not much push from that side of the defensive line and everyone is flowing playside. Textbook example of a play with cutback opportunity but instead he puts his head down and tries to barrel over a defender.
You could even use the gif on the previous page as an example. There is a defender, albeit a small one, waiting in the designed hole. The play side end sets the edge to prevent an outside run and there's a safety over the top to clean up a bounce outside or a missed tackle by Humphrey. Look at the backside of the play. The center gets mauled, but the guard is unimpeded to the second level and gets to the linebacker and the tackle gets movement as well. The backside end gets sealed inside and there's just green grass over there. Not much push from that side of the defensive line and everyone is flowing playside. Textbook example of a play with cutback opportunity but instead he puts his head down and tries to barrel over a defender.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:40 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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I believe Guice will be a better pro than Fournette. Fournette is more battering ram than savvy runner to me. I think he greatly benefitted from intimidation in college. There were times in his career that you could tell safeties wanted nothing to do with him and kind of pretended to be making an effort. I don't think that'll fly in the pros. Vision is the most glaring weakness I've seen from Fournette. Guice can navigate from one side of a phone booth to the other in 10 steps, Fournette just puts his head down and tries to run through it. Guice runs with a lot of instinct. He isn't thinking when he ball is in his hands, just reacting. Fournette is a dangerous space player because of his size, speed, and attitude. I just don't see the vision he's going to need to be Peterson elite at the next level. He's had holes against Alabama. Gaping holes. They just weren't the hole that the play was designed to be ran through. He's not patient in the backfield. That's a great trait when the hole is open and a terrible trait when it isn't. Devonta Freeman sort of runs the same way, he just has one speed and it's full tilt. He's got a lot of wiggle though that Fournette doesn't possess. Not everyone can be Leveon Bell when it comes to patience and vision, I get that I just think it's more than a deficiency in Fournettes game, it looks like a flat out weakness. Given his athletic ability and tenacious playing style though, he's going to be a homerun hitter. I think he'll have a lot of 50 yard games with some 175 yard games sprinkled in throughout his career. Going to a team with a mediocre offensive line is a death sentence for him imo. He's not a create on my own type of player.
That's actually a pretty damn good assessment. Fournette improved a lot from his Freshman-Sophomore year & really improved his pass blocking while at LSU. He has much better hands out of the backfield than he's given credit for imo. His lack of vision is pretty obvious, but he may end up correcting the problem while he's in the NFL. If he does that...he'll be a hell of a RB. He's pretty deadly when he gets to the 2nd level.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:49 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Guice can navigate from one side of a phone booth to the other in 10 steps, Fournette just puts his head down and tries to run through it.
You're greatly, greatly underestimating his cutting ability and ability to make people miss. He sets up defenders as well as anyone. His lateral ability, especially for his size, is elite.
And while LF7 doesn't have Guice's insane vision, he's still well, well above the average in that department
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 2:53 pm
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