re: Worse talent level in Payton era

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But how is that really an argument? If we didn't have this really talented player, who will be a first ballet HOF, then we'd be a lot less talented? Well no crap.

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That's what this entire thread is about. It's a question of whether or not the overall talent on this team is the worst in the Payton era. Brees has been here the entire time. But, the surrounding talent seems lower this year than it has been.

I'm not sure why you are confused about the subject.

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I mean you can say that for any team. If the Packers lose Aaron Rodgers, they've be screwed.

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You missed the point totally. But, even still, the Packers have a more talent, IMO. Lacy, Cobb, Nelson, Bulaga, Matthews, Peppers, etc.

I think LE has it right. If EVERYTHING goes right, this team could win 10 games. But, the list is long...

Cooks becomes a pro-bowl WR (possible)
Running game takes another step forward (possible)
Pass protection takes a serious step forward (possible)
Linebackers take a serious step forward (Anthony and Ellerbe have to be significant upgrades...possible)
DBs need to take a step forward (Browner and/or Breaux need to play above average football...possible)

That's a lot of things that need to go right. And, we are already fighting injuries. If I'm being honest, I think this is a 7-8 win team.